Lists - Food for thought

[anon361]

I am scratching my head as to why a punter would give hoest information to a Girl, it's not going to evolve into a relationship for God's sake, it your details are false then you have nothing to be concerned about.

I think you are being a bit narrowed minded, EP described his situation and a very plausible explanation as to why a punter would have to give out his correct details, now as for those that don't have to but still do, I’m scratching me head along with you

[WTF]

Whilst I don't agree with this list, I do understand that ladies are concerned for their safety.

We considered setting up a bad clients list type thing a while ago, but essentially we found it would be very problamatic legally, with all the data protection issues, so ended up abandoning the idea.

This is a difficult issue.

The only reason they are explaining is that they have got caught at it.Otherwise they would say nothing and work away with their list.

In an industry where a stage name is paramount from the girls prespective surely any girl would understand the need of privacy from the clients prospective.I just got this mail from a guy who will remain anonymous.Have a read,

See i told you talk of a list would be all over the place soon - do you know anyone by chance who might have access to it - i need to know if i'm on it - i could end up in a bit of trouble if that got out

What was wrong with this approach.Coming onto the forums and suggesting the list in the same way that some have suggested references?I understand about an escorts safety and the fact that its tricky but from what i can see ,the explainations are coming because they got caught out.Thats what it looks like to me,an attempt to save any lost bus that might occur because of their actions.

Westside.

[WTF]

I am scratching my head as to why a punter would give hoest information to a Girl, it's not going to evolve into a relationship for God's sake, it your details are false then you have nothing to be concerned about.

its the thought that counts.If you told me you live at no 21 and i rob no 22 by mistake how much better would you feel about it?

Same thing,
Westside.

[ninebythree]

The only reason they are explaining is that they have got caught at it.Otherwise they would say nothing and work away with their list.

Exactly west, after wks of denial both here and on iie, particularly by escorts on the list and notably two popular posters here.

The only reason, that we know about now is because its in someone elses hand other than an escort.


nbt

[Lynne]

i never denied that i was on the list... but its so strange that i who have been honest to admit being on it am the only one who is getting dragged in the dirt...

maybe the list of names will be published soon... then you can have a full view of all names concerned.

[Patricia]

Exactly west, after wks of denial both here and on iie, particularly by escorts on the list and notably two popular posters here.

The only reason, that we know about now is because its in someone elses hand other than an escort.


nbt

I understand David of IIE warned all ladies concerned not to speak of this matter, and this is a big part of why no lady has come forward to talk about it until now.

[ninebythree]

i never denied that i was on the list... but its so strange that i who have been honest to admit being on it am the only one who is getting dragged in the dirt...

maybe the list of names will be published soon... then you can have a full view of all names concerned.

I actually never said you personally denied it , but two of ure coherts here did.(saying that though one of them is otherwised engaged at the minute).

Pat asked that the ladies get a chance to defend them selves first ,but i can stick it up now if u want.


nbt

[carlos marvado]

I understand David of IIE warned all ladies concerned not to speak of this matter, and this is a big part of why no lady has come forward to talk about it until now.

Well it's out in the open now despite weeks of denials (this started on IIE in mid December from what I could gather) and what now looks like a possible attempted cover up by some involved in running the other site (maybe they're catholic priests in real life).

I can understand the logic of what Abby was trying to achieve and the logic of her arguements make a lot of sense. I think most experienced punters (sorry E.P., you're not the only one) would be only too well aware that escorts store numbers of both bad clients and regular good clients on their phones, talk to one another about clients, provide references for clients and post about dangerous clients in the private escort's sections of both sites. What Abby and others eventually created was a super reference site to increase their own levels of data for security purposes and speed up reference times. That's the positive.

The negative, is that the spreadsheet was always open to misuse, either by unscrupulous escorts, pimps/agencies behind a supposedly independent escort and also by a wider group of people through the database being hacked into. Abby and or Lynne have claimed that an escort did misuse the data and that the database was also hacked into at some stage and now that the information is out there, one of the things which clients would fear the most has occured.

It goes without saying, that in this business, every genuine client expects discretion from an escort and would not visit one who had a reputation for indiscretion. I think that in this case however, if we accept the arguements made by Abby and Lynne, the escorts involved have not so much shown that they are indiscrete, but rather displayed incredible naivety in thinking that the vast amount of data they had gathered would remain secure and not be used for anything other than benign purposes.

There is of course also the small issue of the Data Protection Act.....but I dont know if it applies in this case.

Small comfort to anybody whoes data is on the list.

Simple solution.....list the escorts involved so that clients get some indication of whether they might or might not be listed, and then punters will be in a position to make an informed choice when selecting an escort to visit.

[jessie]

What can u comment on fact that during discussion on the board girls found out that 'hotel'turns into brothel' and started to wonder 'how to get rid of them without loosing friends?'

Anna Anna Anna, how wrong can you be!!! You don´t even know what the conversation was about and trying to speculate now and putting things out of context. Ok let me clarify. That conversation was between me and another escort good friend lovely girl and has NOTHING to do with how to remove girls from the hotel. You just twisted it completely!!! Me and that lovely girl where talking about two friends of her,one her duo partner that where touring with her and they where not discrete at all and where giving my friend headdache because problem clients has come to the hotel. The hotel then was watching them. My friend didn´t want to tour with them anymore and was asking how she can tell them without loosing their friendship. NOT like u suggested how we where planning how to remove other girls from the hotel. There was also another girl there at that time that my friend knew and I stay in that hotel also a day before, and I was saying that I´m glad I was gone, so many girls in a small place this will turn into a brothel. We where in a small town and small hotel at that time. I´m amazed how you can take this conversation out of context and turn it into a complete other thing that´s not true,rideculous

Jessie

[jessie]

And yes I took part in the list thing because for me this was a good thing for clients and girls. I´ve been working in USA for more then 2 years and there it´s very normal that girls shared information and have clients details and numbers. In USA we have big communities of lots of girls with lists of bad clients, good clients, bad hotels,good hotels, info about cops etc etc. Also there are systems where the guy will get verified by the site and then he will get a membership if he is ok. If he want to see a girl he give his account name and the girl can verify if he is ok. Also everytime he see a girl the girl give him an OK or if he was a bad guy, a NO. Also guys many times has to provide work info, work phone number, real name and also ID when they meet. Girls verify work info and names also you have sites you can pay to see if the guy have criminal record. Most of the girls in USA that want to stay safe work this way. I have always work this way thats why nothing bad had happen to me. Only girls that want to risk will not ask or verify clients. But it´s up to them.

When I start touring Ireland I found it dificult, never in my escort carrier I saw so much timewaisters and bad guys. Guys threatning, Pimps deadthreatning, Robbers, Crazy people and so on. It´s very dificult to verify clients in Ireland because people are very afraid to give info so you are more exposed to trouble. So when I got an invitation to join the list thing it was for me a good thing and I mean I use to work that way and I even have my own USA spreadsheet.

I know guys are scared and it is a bad thing the list was exposed this way. But I think you need to be more concerned about the one that hacked the system and spread the spreadsheet to all. This person or persons has to have a very mean and ill mind.
I think you guys has to see or trying to see the benifit of the list for punters also. If you are an OK client you will not have the hassle to be accept for an appointment.
Before the list I decline many many appointments and some people even if they are perhaps OK where never able to get to see me. I was very very picky in who I see because I was not sure that the person will not give me trouble. I´m still picky in who I see and I see very few clients a day. But when I took part of the list it was a relief to see that someone calling and want to see you is put down as OK. You guys have to understand that everytime you open the door you never know what u will get. And also in my case having working in dangerous situation in USA makes you more then paranoid many times.

Now the full numbers of the good clients where never put down. So legally there is nothing somebody can do with blackmailing. An incomplete number can never be proof of anything. You have to guess the rest of the numbers but even if it easy to guess, guessing has never been used in court or in any case as proof for anything. Also some numbers has little discription of a person like huge cock, likes domination etc etc, but thats also no proof of who this person is etc. Also the thing that you guys are saying that this can felt in hands of Garda etc etc. Garda cannot do anything with an incomplete list of numbers of punters. Legally for what can they prosicute all those people. Do you really think Garda will waist their time sorting out the complete number and prosicuting those people and for what? For visiting escorts? Also an incomplete something can never be used as proof in court.
I´m saying this because I sort this out with my solicitor and people at the Garda that I know. They all said the list is useless.

So that´s it for now. The ones that know me very well know that I´m very discrete and low key with clients and my work. I never had problems before and also none of my clients has problems because of me. I don´t contact my clients also by phone,only when they want to see me or they want to discuss something, because I never mess in their private life, and most of them know that. But the ones decide not to see me anymore, that´s fine, I understand. Everybody has their choice to see or not to see someone. So it´s ur decission.

Jessie