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    Default Latest on the Sexual Offences Act - not looking good.

    I had a look on-line for more on this, and found the site below, which seems to be a good way to see all that is going on. The links take you to full minutes of each of the Oireachtas sessions.

    https://www.kildarestreet.com/search/?s=sexual+offences

    It looks as if it will reach the final stage - the Report Stage - tomorrow. I don't know how long that lasts, but unless I have misunderstood, we could be days away from the Bill passing. I think when it passes it may not be law immediately, but it will set a date for it going live which could be a number of weeks ahead.

    I read some of the minutes. The four biggest parties are all in full support. The only notable dissenting voices have been Senators David Norris and Mary White, who have both talked sense, making all the points that we would make. Norris in particular has been a constant heckler and critic of the lack of proper consultation. Mary White is planning to propose an amendment that forces the criiminalisation of clients bit to be reviewed after two years, but I don't think the amendment will pass.

    If anyone understands this stuff better than me, and can shed a more optimistic light on it, please chip in, but it looks to me as if it will be law by the spring.

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    Read an article in the sun lately where MoJ hoped the Sexual Offences Bill will be passed by Easter (i.e last week in March).

    The law is inevitable .

    As appears does the subsequent court challenge .

    Which will probably be successful as the State doesn't have the basic right to criminalise the consenting sexual proclivities of consenting adults.

    The passing of the Bill will be part of the history on how prostitution is dealt with in the country.

    Worth keeping an eye on Laura Lee's Belfast High Court challenge in February as the opening salvo of the inevitable legal proceedings

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    Quote Originally Posted by MidlifeCrisis View Post
    I had a look on-line for more on this, and found the site below, which seems to be a good way to see all that is going on. The links take you to full minutes of each of the Oireachtas sessions.

    https://www.kildarestreet.com/search/?s=sexual+offences

    It looks as if it will reach the final stage - the Report Stage - tomorrow. I don't know how long that lasts, but unless I have misunderstood, we could be days away from the Bill passing. I think when it passes it may not be law immediately, but it will set a date for it going live which could be a number of weeks ahead.

    I read some of the minutes. The four biggest parties are all in full support. The only notable dissenting voices have been Senators David Norris and Mary White, who have both talked sense, making all the points that we would make. Norris in particular has been a constant heckler and critic of the lack of proper consultation. Mary White is planning to propose an amendment that forces the criiminalisation of clients bit to be reviewed after two years, but I don't think the amendment will pass.

    If anyone understands this stuff better than me, and can shed a more optimistic light on it, please chip in, but it looks to me as if it will be law by the spring.
    It looks as if it will reach the final stage - the Report Stage - tomorrow. I don't know how long that lasts, but unless I have misunderstood, we could be days away from the Bill passing.
    Elected representatives (especially members with special interest in the Joint Oireachtas [Justice] Committee whom recommended Swedish-style Legislation); take a bow for fast-tracking the above mentioned piece of Legislation whilst crimes such as assault, burglaries, drugs offences and numerous others have spiraled (yet said JOC have remained strangely quiet regarding spiraling crime in all areas).

    Mary White is planning to propose an amendment that forces the criiminalisation of clients bit to be reviewed after two years, but I don't think the amendment will pass.
    Why wait two years for such a review ?
    Odds against you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MidlifeCrisis View Post
    I had a look on-line for more on this, and found the site below, which seems to be a good way to see all that is going on. The links take you to full minutes of each of the Oireachtas sessions.

    https://www.kildarestreet.com/search/?s=sexual+offences

    It looks as if it will reach the final stage - the Report Stage - tomorrow. I don't know how long that lasts, but unless I have misunderstood, we could be days away from the Bill passing. I think when it passes it may not be law immediately, but it will set a date for it going live which could be a number of weeks ahead.

    I read some of the minutes. The four biggest parties are all in full support. The only notable dissenting voices have been Senators David Norris and Mary White, who have both talked sense, making all the points that we would make. Norris in particular has been a constant heckler and critic of the lack of proper consultation. Mary White is planning to propose an amendment that forces the criiminalisation of clients bit to be reviewed after two years, but I don't think the amendment will pass.

    If anyone understands this stuff better than me, and can shed a more optimistic light on it, please chip in, but it looks to me as if it will be law by the spring.
    This all pertains to the Seanad, it still has to pass in the D疂l. Please learn how our Government works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Equalizer View Post
    Mary White is planning to propose an amendment that forces the criiminalisation of clients bit to be reviewed after two years, but I don't think the amendment will pass.
    Why wait two years for such a review ?
    What is that all about? Seems very odd!
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    Mary White wanted a two year review of the imminent law to see what the effects of the law would be. Appears to be considerable opposition against . i.e. no 2 year review of the law once its passed . Gives an indication that the law is morally/radfem driven rather than evidence based.

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    Quote Originally Posted by milkman View Post
    Mary White wanted a two year review of the imminent law to see what the effects of the law would be. Appears to be considerable opposition against . i.e. no 2 year review of the law once its passed . Gives an indication that the law is morally/radfem driven rather than evidence based.
    It was never based on practical common sense of hard evidence — if there was a tad of either used this new law would not even have been discussed in the first place!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Petros View Post
    What is that all about? Seems very odd!
    I think they had a review of the laws in both New Zealand and Norway and each decided that they had got it right. I'm doubt if reviews of legislation are part of the Irish parliamentary process. That would mean admitting that our politicians are not infallible. Gobshites.

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    I had the Kiwi one bookmarked already. They reviewed it after 3 years.

    http://www.justice.govt.nz/policy/co...nts/report.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zoidberg View Post
    This all pertains to the Seanad, it still has to pass in the D疂l. Please learn how our Government works.
    I asked for anyone better informed to chip in. What I had in mind was intelligent explanation rather than patronising onanism. I was trying to understand how the system works. If you have anything to add worth typing, please do.

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