Prostitution exposé on RTE tomorrow night.

[wnolan1992]

This show focused on those at the bottom end of the market the €50 per 30 mins types. Most people who post here would avoid such profiles like the plague as they are where all the bait and switch stuff happens.

Not once did the programme refer to the real independents who charge much more than the gangs do. The girls featured would never interest me as I has no interest in giving my hard earned to pimps.

[KevinACE]

http://www.independent.ie/regionals/...-27817141.html

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-28025382

clearly a history of violence, and an active mobster

[KevinACE]

Dublin is full of junkies though, so I would be happy to have security lodging my money!

[wnolan1992]

I think the show did a good job in exposing the bottom end of the sex market in Ireland. Good to see the pimps outed.

The only bad thing is that people will not associate EI with these people and tar everyone with the same brush.

[Curvaceous Kate]

Apologies for bursting the bubble but we are in fact mostly normal guys and sadly for the media the vast majority of Ladies working are here of their own free will and happy at their job ,I know that's not what you want to hear and it will be in contrast to the programme you are watching/have just watched.

For the ladies that are not here of their free will we in no way condone that and most of us here would report such information to the Garda.

The good news is their is a new law coming in which will make the scene go underground so the ladies won't be safe anymore,Ohh wait that's not good is it?

Anyway you are all welcome and guys when the wife/Gf has stopped looking make that call

Try and look for verified pictures and a lady with good reviews,but We are here to help also should you need assistance.

Not me though,I will most likely be no help,that's how I roll

You're never normal!

[Curvaceous Kate]

I think the show did a good job in exposing the bottom end of the sex market in Ireland. Good to see the pimps outed.

The only bad thing is that people will not associate EI with these people and tar everyone with the same brush.

That's the problem. These reports are never balanced and they pretty much refuse to believe that any other way exists. We are invisible!

[Lucy Chambers]

That's the problem. These reports are never balanced and they pretty much refuse to believe that any other way exists. We are invisible!

This was a programme looking into the criminality associated with the sale of sex, so they weren't exactly going to mention the independent worker. Which...being honest, seems to be relatively rare. There are serious issues around the welfare of foreign women brought to the country (in England too ) issues that are very hard to even talk about without being labelled racist or worse. I will say this though, the clients know deep down that seeing a lady with no English cannot be considered informed consent.

[Rocker123]

I watched the RTE programme with interest.

I would like to make a few points;

I have no doubt the programme was fatual. We all know this sort of "business" is going on. As other posters said, you can spot the "managed/pimped/ agency" girls easily. Fact is if guy avoided these dodgy profiles then these gangsters would go out of business fast.

The programme identified approx 100 girls who are "managed by these gangs" That leaves over 700 who's work and movements are not managed by gangs. So approximately 12% of escorts were represented in that programme. The programme represented 1/8 of the Industry in Ireland and ignored the remainder. I do agree that no woman should be "managed" in this way. I would agree that 100 girls managed in this way is 100 too many but the programme ignored the lifestyles of the vast majority of escorts working in Ireland today.

RTE has spent a long time finding out this information. Yet the Gardai seem powerless to deal with it? Why? Surely to goodness the evidence is there and more importantly the women involved could be rescued!! Every day a woman is managed is one day too many.

We saw women lodging money with Western Union. The reporter said at one point that they were sending money home to families. The programme made no attempt to show how much of the money the women were transferring to their own or their family accounts at home. It didn't show how much of the money the Gangs were taking for themselves.

So the new law to criminalise clients of all escorts is based on the fact that 12% of escorts may be organised by criminal gangs? I accept that 12% is 12% too much. But... If RTE can track the movements of these gangs and take pictures of them meeting in a house in Tyrone why are the Gardai not using the existing laws to put these people out of business?

As an aside I see that TD Mick Wallace is due to be jailed for 30 days for not paying a fine for an incident in Shannon Airport. So lets see... a TD is going to prison for committing a "crime of conscience" while these scumbags collect the dole and take the state to court for non payment of dole.

I believe these gangs could easily be put out of business. But in doing so, the argument of those who would criminalise clients would be considerably weakened. I am beginning to wonder if these gangs are being allowed to do their nasty work uninterrupted at the expense and misery of these poor women in order to get this utterly stupid legislation over the line?

I have said it before, clients are the best ally the police have in fighting these criminals. I can only speak for myself but I am sure many of the lads here would agree. If I encountered a woman whom I thought was cohersed, I would immediately ring a confidential line to report her situation if I knew they would not come after me.


Meanwhile the 700 escorts who are not managed by gangs. Who don't get moved around the country every Tuesday, who have their own apartment homes and who work when and if they want, who fly home and back alone whenever they want, who want to do this work..... are to have their livelihoods destroyed because the law is this country is an ass and won't tackle the gangs whose faces were on Television, whose car registrations are known, who are known to be in North King Street Dublin every Tuesday, who regularly visit the house where the boss Anton? lives in Tyrone........

Meanwhile if I get caught breaking a speed limit on an open motorway and don't pay the fine.. I end up in court.

Am I correct? Am I missing the point?

[willie wacker]

I watched the RTE programme with interest.

I would like to make a few points;

I have no doubt the programme was fatual. We all know this sort of "business" is going on. As other posters said, you can spot the "managed/pimped/ agency" girls easily. Fact is if guy avoided these dodgy profiles then these gangsters would go out of business fast.

The programme identified approx 100 girls who are "managed by these gangs" That leaves over 700 who's work and movements are not managed by gangs. So approximately 12% of escorts were represented in that programme. The programme represented 1/8 of the Industry in Ireland and ignored the remainder. I do agree that no woman should be "managed" in this way. I would agree that 1/8 is 1/8 to much but the programme ignored the lifestyles of the vast majority of escorts working in Ireland today.

RTE has spent a long time finding out this information. Yet the Gardai seem powerless to deal with it? Why? Surely to goodness the evidence is there and more importantly the women involved could be rescued!! Every day a woman is managed is one day too many.

We saw women lodging money with Western Union. The reporter said at one point that they were sending money home to families. The programme made no attempt to show how much of the money the women were transferring to their own or their family accounts at home. It didn't show how much of the money the Gangs were taking for themselves.

So the new law to criminalise clients of all escorts is based on the fact that 12% of escorts may be organised by criminal gangs? I accept that 12% is 12% too much. But... If RTE can track the movements of these gangs and take pictures of them meeting in a house in Tyrone why are the Gardai not using the existing laws to put these people out of business?

As an aside I see that TD Mick Wallace is due to be jailed for 30 days for not paying a fine for an incident in Shannon Airport. So lets see... a TD is going to prison for committing a "crime of conscience" while these scumbags collect the dole and take the state to court for non payment of dole.

I believe these gangs could easily be put out of business. But in doing so, the argument of those who would criminalise clients would be considerably weakened. I am beginning to wonder if these gangs are being allowed to do their nasty work uninterrupted at the expense and misery of these poor women in order to get this utterly stupid legislation over the line?

I have said it before, clients are the best ally the police have in fighting these criminals. I can only speak for myself but I am sure many of the lads here would agree. If I encountered a woman whom I thought was cohersed, I would immediately ring a confidential line to report her situation if I knew they would not come after me.


Meanwhile the 700 escorts who are not managed by gangs. Who don't get moved around the country every Tuesday, who have their own apartment homes and who work when and if they want, who fly home and back alone whenever they want, who want to do this work..... are to have their livelihoods destroyed because the law is this country is an ass and won't tackle the gangs whose faces were on Television, whose car registrations are known, who are known to be in North King Street Dublin every Tuesday, Who visit the house in Tyrone regularly........

Meanwhile if I get caught breaking a speed limit on an open motorway and don't pay the fine.. I end up in court.

Am I correct? Am I missing the point?

100 % correct and not missing the point in fact you made very good point , well said

[nibb]

Just a quick point no last nights documentary. It' seems prices are well down €50 for the half hour with a full no holds barred service. That's After a thorough investigation by our national broadcaster.
No any ladie I met over the years was a cute business woman who provided services she wanted and charged a lot more than fifty euro something not adding up