Prostitution exposé on RTE tomorrow night.

[Mister Anderson]

I am neither, what are you?

Perhaps you aren't.

But it would be very hard to tell that if you were being judged on the misogynistic tone you use while disparaging females in the media who take an opposing view to you.

[Newtoallthis]

You's won't get rid of me that easy..... I'm pretty sure my regulars will look after me....

Who would let any new law put them off going to see Sophiex ? they would be mad

[Curvaceous Kate]

We are going around in circles doll. Let me try and put this simply, because I cannot be making it clear.

If you cannot communicate directly with the lady then how can you claim consent? Once in the room, what consent can be made? The fact she accepts the money and smiles? Nods? How can you possibly ascertain that the lady is happy to be there? Therefore, what defence would you have in court? She wore a sexy dress? It's quite surreal that it could even be something a rational client would consider.

This isn't about agencies, I'm well aware of the pros and cons of agencies. This is about clients. If you cannot speak to someone how can you claim to be interested in their welfare?

Gah, my eyes hurt.

If the woman in the room has absolutely no idea of the language where she is working, then it's highly possible that she is trafficked and there against her will, but how many do you think are in this position?

In the documentary it said that many of the trafficked women were told they were going abroad to get another job, so I'm guessing (not assuming) that they must have felt able to communicate to a point in order to do that job in a country where they do not speak that language as their Mother tongue. It is very rare that you see in a review that a sex worker has absolutely no English whatsoever and has not been able to communicate.

In a court situation? Isn't that always open to manipulation depending on who is representing who?

I would imagine that generally clients are experiencing SW's with limited English and not completely unable to communicate.

Have any of the clients here ever experienced booking a sex worker with absolutely no English at all? Anyone? If you did, did you go ahead with the booking? If you went ahead with the booking, did you feel the SW has control or did they just do what they were told?

You might feel like you are hitting your head against a brick wall Lucy, but so do I. We're being given stats of 100 trafficked Escorts. It doesn't say if they can speak English or not, just that they are moved around regularly and working every day etc. I was merely questioning how many of those 100 were working without consent.

We did start this debate talking about the documentary didn't we? Least I did.

The fact is neither of us are there when it happens, so we're both generalising based on the knowledge we have, which is not adequate for either of us to say we're right and the other is wrong. Which is why I say it's a grey area.

[Playitsam]

Having watched the program, I believe it was factually correct. Perhaps more truth there than we would like to admit.

It did pick on one side of the sex game and that's the criminality element . But as we all know most professions have their criminal elements , so that's nothing new . The non criminal elements are never going to get publicity.

What did scare me though was the punters requesting bare back and the fact that escorts we prepared to do it for €20.

I'm also stunned that with all the powers of the state and its deep pockets that it was unable to prevent that man getting 32K in social welfare . What's the real story there ?

Also western union ? Am I again missing something , why are CAB not there with our revenue officials. Ask one simple question , where did you get that money ? Show a payslip show a pps number if you can't then the cash should be confiscated until proof of legitimacy is provided.

[Hunter Green]

To easy,next question.

too
But you got the smiley right. Well done you

If the woman in the room has absolutely no idea of the language where she is working, then it's highly possible that she is trafficked and there against her will, but how many do you think are in this position?

In the documentary it said that many of the trafficked women were told they were going abroad to get another job, so I'm guessing (not assuming) that they must have felt able to communicate to a point in order to do that job in a country where they do not speak that language as their Mother tongue. It is very rare that you see in a review that a sex worker has absolutely no English whatsoever and has not been able to communicate.

In a court situation? Isn't that always open to manipulation depending on who is representing who?

I would imagine that generally clients are experiencing SW's with limited English and not completely unable to communicate.

1. Have any of the clients here ever experienced booking a sex worker with absolutely no English at all? Anyone? If you did, did you go ahead with the booking? If you went ahead with the booking, did you feel the SW has control or did they just do what they were told?

You might feel like you are hitting your head against a brick wall Lucy, but so do I. We're being given stats of 100 trafficked Escorts. It doesn't say if they can speak English or not, just that they are moved around regularly and working every day etc. I was merely questioning how many of those 100 were working without consent.

2. We did start this debate talking about the documentary didn't we? Least I did.

The fact is neither of us are there when it happens, so we're both generalising based on the knowledge we have, which is not adequate for either of us to say we're right and the other is wrong. Which is why I say it's a grey area.

1. Apple won escort of the month and a client commented that she didn't know what country she's in, so there's that.

2. You began by dismissing it completely as unbalanced before you had watched it. But so did the majority of posters.

[Rocker123]

The examiner on last night’s programme.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland...on-368899.html

................... and once again they use what must be the only stock photo they have of a sex worker.... A lady propped up against a lamp post in the dead of night.

Of course that photo suits their purpose.

remember ............. Control the media and you control public opinion.

[Mister Anderson]

too
But you got the smiley right. Well done you



1. Apple won escort of the month and a client commented that she didn't know what country she's in, so there's that.

2. You began by dismissing it completely as unbalanced before you had watched it. But so did the majority of posters.

It was shocking to see so much of that on this thread. I can only imagine what that must look like to outsiders reading in, especially now as the eyes are turning from RTE to hear, the sense of denial must look repulsive

. Heads firmly buried in sand. So far so good, so far so good ... so far so good

[Hunter Green]

Now hands up who feels embarrassed, answering to Hi bby, sweetie, darling, , kiss u :* pms & visitor messages knowing you might've been chatting to one of those beefcake pimps ....

kiss you !

Weren't they all fat blokes?

[Hunter Green]

It was shocking to see so much of that on this thread. I can only imagine what that must look like to outsiders reading in, especially now as the eyes are turning from RTE to hear, the sense of denial must look repulsive

. Heads firmly buried in sand. So far so good, so far so good ... so far so good

I agree. Everyone instantly defensive, and making excuses for certain parts of the industry

Fundamentally it comes down to, is escorting in Ireland in a healthy state? Is Ioan Anton the kind of guy you’d like to work for?
You start by making apologies for little things, like limited English is ok, someone else choosing your clients for you is ok, no English is probably ok if that person has great spidey sense and picks lovely clients for you. Relative to their home wages 50 euros is ok. When it’s not. Because it’s happening here, not there. And it alters the perception in the minds of clients here, of the worth of the experience, and by extension the worth of the escort as a person and service provider.
Suddenly the whole scene looks disgusting and it’s easy to see how people would want to criminalise every part of it. 50 euros a pop and then negotiating for bareback. Where does it stop. It doesn’t.

[KevinACE]

too
But you got the smiley right. Well done you



1. Apple won escort of the month and a client commented that she didn't know what country she's in, so there's that.

2. You began by dismissing it completely as unbalanced before you had watched it. But so did the majority of posters.

I met apple and she knows well what country she is in!