Full Bill to criminalise clients published

[Omegaman]

I can't see escort helping the guards

if they are pushed or slightly threatened that they are in trouble too some will, especially foreign girls who don't have great English or understand the system and are frightened what have they got to lose really

[f1 away]

You could have a point there

if they are pushed or slightly threatened that they are in trouble too some will, especially foreign girls who don't have great English or understand the system and are frightened what have they got to lose really

[Omegaman]

You could have a point there

Yes its not good and some of these girls crack so easily like the case that was six months ago, I was appalled at the way these young ladies were treated and the judge even handed them down a custodial sentence for a first offence.

[Baysideroller66]

Very many thanks for the steer on this as I was looking forward to reading the bill but yes I take on board what you say that there most likely will be many many changes here

The devil will be in the detail

[Zealot7]

Just a couple of thoughts:

• Just because it's been published, doesn't actually mean it'll get passed in a timely manner or even at all. There are a large amount of published bills that have been sitting there for a significant amount of time.
• With the time that it is at the moment, it's highly likely to be delayed before it's even put before the Dáil. You've got the budget at the moment, so at the very least don't expect anything until after that, then factor in you've a general election either early next year or late this year. It's a very long bill too given everything that's in it; it won't be passed overnight.
• Another thing I notice is that the "Reasonable Grounds" language is not in the bill anymore. It was "If a Garda has reasonable grounds", now it just says "If a person does <list of shit>". This presumably requires actual proof on behalf of the authorities as opposed to "reasonable grounds", it'll make things extremely difficult in court for them then.
• Its absurdity is likely to be its undoing too, as its worded it requires every straight or homosexual man or woman that are either married, in a relationship, having an affair/FWB type arrangement or a one night stands to be charged. I think (opinion of course) it's likely to get watered down before it's passed, or even if it does pass in it current form and a case goes to court a few years later it'll likely be thrown out on lack of evidence.
• As other posters have rightly said, it's completely and unequivocally unenforceable. The Gardai have neither the resources or the powers to police it effectively in the case of the way independent ladies go about their business.

Taken that together, I'm not so worried.

Although it's a sad time that this is even being considered by those in power, it really shows how far we've fallen as a country. It re-affirms every belief I've ever had in limited or small government.

[TonyB]

Just a couple of thoughts:

• Just because it's been published, doesn't actually mean it'll get passed in a timely manner or even at all. There are a large amount of published bills that have been sitting there for a significant amount of time.
• With the time that it is at the moment, it's highly likely to be delayed before it's even put before the Dáil. You've got the budget at the moment, so at the very least don't expect anything until after that, then factor in you've a general election either early next year or late this year. It's a very long bill too given everything that's in it; it won't be passed overnight.
• Another thing I notice is that the "Reasonable Grounds" language is not in the bill anymore. It was "If a Garda has reasonable grounds", now it just says "If a person does <list of shit>". This presumably requires actual proof on behalf of the authorities as opposed to "reasonable grounds", it'll make things extremely difficult in court for them then.
• Its absurdity is likely to be its undoing too, as its worded it requires every straight or homosexual man or woman that are either married, in a relationship, having an affair/FWB type arrangement or a one night stands to be charged. I think (opinion of course) it's likely to get watered down before it's passed, or even if it does pass in it current form and a case goes to court a few years later it'll likely be thrown out on lack of evidence.
• As other posters have rightly said, it's completely and unequivocally unenforceable. The Gardai have neither the resources or the powers to police it effectively in the case of the way independent ladies go about their business.

Taken that together, I'm not so worried.

Although it's a sad time that this is even being considered by those in power, it really shows how far we've fallen as a country. It re-affirms every belief I've ever had in limited or small government.

Good post.
I really object to being criminalised for something that is natural to want to do

[Stonie]

Just a couple of thoughts:

• Just because it's been published, doesn't actually mean it'll get passed in a timely manner or even at all. There are a large amount of published bills that have been sitting there for a significant amount of time.
• With the time that it is at the moment, it's highly likely to be delayed before it's even put before the Dáil. You've got the budget at the moment, so at the very least don't expect anything until after that, then factor in you've a general election either early next year or late this year. It's a very long bill too given everything that's in it; it won't be passed overnight.
• Another thing I notice is that the "Reasonable Grounds" language is not in the bill anymore. It was "If a Garda has reasonable grounds", now it just says "If a person does <list of shit>". This presumably requires actual proof on behalf of the authorities as opposed to "reasonable grounds", it'll make things extremely difficult in court for them then.
• Its absurdity is likely to be its undoing too, as its worded it requires every straight or homosexual man or woman that are either married, in a relationship, having an affair/FWB type arrangement or a one night stands to be charged. I think (opinion of course) it's likely to get watered down before it's passed, or even if it does pass in it current form and a case goes to court a few years later it'll likely be thrown out on lack of evidence.
• As other posters have rightly said, it's completely and unequivocally unenforceable. The Gardai have neither the resources or the powers to police it effectively in the case of the way independent ladies go about their business.

Taken that together, I'm not so worried.

Although it's a sad time that this is even being considered by those in power, it really shows how far we've fallen as a country. It re-affirms every belief I've ever had in limited or small government.

but it will be passed and will be more strictly policed than Northern Ireland

[rubberlover]

Hi everyone,

The bill in full is now published. You can read it here:

http://www.oireachtas.ie/viewdoc.asp...9630&&CatID=59

Also please don't panic yet. It has a few stages to go through, before it will be made into law. The government is busy with other stuff including the Budget.

And with an election in the offing, just might get shelved etc

[casman]

And with an election in the offing, just might get shelved etc

Hopefully it does.

[Dom Dunn]

Are you joking?

there is quite a few independents that have been raided for sharing apartments. Most took the guilty plea, a fine & left not to come back again. Some were prepared to fight the case & go to trial but never made it that far as the police didnt have a leg to stand on so were forced to give back cash, phones & laptops etc .. albeit months if not years later! Are you also forgetting the 100 or so raids they did a few years ago, taking phones, laptops etc but not finding any real criminals? I'm not sure where your getting your info from but your statement above is most definitely wrong.

I fully agree with you. A lot of guys on here are far to complacent about this draconian piece of legislation. A lot of girls have been harassed by the cops and trust me there are a lot of unsavory individuals in uniform out there that will be licking their lips at the prospect of this. The courts may save us in the end but it will be too late for some