Full Bill to criminalise clients published

[sixfourblond]

I know several girls that had their laptops and phones taken in raids by the Gardai. Or that's what they told me.
I'm quite sure the ladies here are more clued in than most of us here.

Several? A drop in your ocean me thinks. Lol.

[nonpareil]

I favour some sort of barter system in the future. I was quite good at metalwork in school, I bet the ladies would love a set of fire irons

Unfortunately barter and payment in kind are also to be ruled out



Unless it's you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours.


(And most of the ladies probably have loofahs for that already:-)

[Bedders]

Unfortunately barter and payment in kind are also to be ruled out



Unless it's you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours.


(And most of the ladies probably have loofahs for that already:-)

penis loofah for those hard to reach places

[Zealot7]

Large amount of truth in your post, sixfourblond. People are rightly concerned but things will probably go on as normal. Escort Ireland [and it is Escort Ireland, the other regions aren't generating much revenue, I would think] seem to be confident about the future, given the effort and money invested in this site.
There is a lot of absurdities in the law, and it will be hard to enforce in practice.

Make that borderline impossible. It would definitely be within the capabilities of the North Koreans, or the police forces of Nazi Germany but not the "modern" 21st century Irish Gardai. They don't have the power, or resources really.

Also, because of said absurdities I think it's likely that it will have to be watered down somewhat.

[SteveB]

EDIT: (instead of double posting)

Even if you've never visited an escort in the past and never intend to in the future, you should care about this. It's grossly interfering with anyone who's in any form of relationship, married or otherwise. That's a step too far from any government, our private lives and sex lives should be off limits to the state.

On the positive note though, it's totally unenforceable with an insane burden of proof before it ever gets going.

Good point. The Wolfenden Report concluded that “there must remain a realm of private morality and immorality which is...not the law’s business.”

I myself, do not believe that consensual behaviour between adults is immoral, but even if it is, it is clearly not the business of the state.
If, as you say, they can legislate here, what other behaviour will they seek to legislate for..........

[Zealot7]

Good point. The Wolfenden Report concluded that “there must remain a realm of private morality and immorality which is...not the law’s business.”

I myself, do not believe that consensual behaviour between adults is immoral, but even if it is, it is clearly not the business of the state.
If, as you say, they can legislate here, what other behaviour will they seek to legislate for..........

That's the thing, it'll set a very dangerous precedent if it is passed. What's next? Masturbation to be made illegal? It sounds ridiculous on the surface, but it's not that far a stone's throw from here.

I'm actually saddened reading it. I mean... I thought Ireland was a free country, and aside from a high cost of living and high taxes (symptoms of too much government) it's not that bad a place to live. I mean we wear the flag of supposed democracy, and claim to be a developed country in all guises of the word. This is upsetting, at it clearly shows that we're not and that mass interference on behalf of the government in the private lives and sex lives of its citizens is okay.

I guess I might have to go back to giving serious consideration to leaving the country again, I'm not too fond of having half my salary stolen from me by the state to finance this kind of shit.

[Naughtynatalie]

For years the only targets for raids were brothels, criminal gangs and trafficking. Even independent girls sharing and therefore technically in a brothel haven't been touched. The authorities have only ever been interested in organised crime. All this scaremongering is scaring the girls.

Are you joking?

there is quite a few independents that have been raided for sharing apartments. Most took the guilty plea, a fine & left not to come back again. Some were prepared to fight the case & go to trial but never made it that far as the police didnt have a leg to stand on so were forced to give back cash, phones & laptops etc .. albeit months if not years later! Are you also forgetting the 100 or so raids they did a few years ago, taking phones, laptops etc but not finding any real criminals? I'm not sure where your getting your info from but your statement above is most definitely wrong.

[nonpareil]

All governments interfere in the private lives of their citizens , in one for or another, depending on time and place.
Think I read somewhere once, that some consideration is being given somewhere to the possibility of monitoring brain activity .Probably initially to pick on something like aggression or nervousness rather than thoughts as such and if such things ever become possible , one application might be airport security for the terrorists or smugglers we are supposed to be knee deep in.
I however shall be immune wearing my tinfoil hat;-)

[nonpareil]

Are you joking?

there is quite a few independents that have been raided for sharing apartments. Most took the guilty plea, a fine & left not to come back again. Some were prepared to fight the case & go to trial but never made it that far as the police didnt have a leg to stand on so were forced to give back cash, phones & laptops etc .. albeit months if not years later! Are you also forgetting the 100 or so raids they did a few years ago, taking phones, laptops etc but not finding any real criminals? I'm not sure where your getting your info from but your statement above is most definitely wrong.

I would guess a lot walk away without getting their property back.
I know one case where all including bank account was seized and have heard a couple of others mention having been the subject of raids.

[f1 away]

(1)My understanding of this is the government has giving the green light for independent girl to work ( they will be Decriminalise )

(2)girl work in a brothels (will be criminalise )

(3)client paying for sex (will be criminalise )

So is the guards going to used the escort as there witness to show the money had exchange or
Is the client going to used the escort as his witness
I think the escort will stay out of it
So we're in limbo