Full Bill to criminalise clients published

[annabel taylor]

Needs to be tested in the courts asap. At worse this will allow a certain amount of clarity about what you might be able to get away with at best this Islamic/Calvinistic/Feminist piece of legislation will be stuck out. In some cases it will be almost impossible for the cops to get a charge to stick but beware this law offers considerable scope for raids on brothels (i.e places with more than one girl working)and almost inevitably sting operations which the law is clearly designed to facilitate. Interesting as well will be how it is to be administered i.e will the discrete option of an on the spot fine be available or will as I fear may transpire a string of public humiliations of punters be the order of the day. All in all a bad day for the Republic and a good day for the parasitic NGO's who have championed this cause encouraged by Blue Shirt Fitzgerald.

The law regarding brothels has always stated more than one is a brothel...nd ladies have been convicted for pimping each other when sharing no change there...


I'm loving the prostitute is different form a person lol...

Victims my hole

[casman]

Thanks Catriona,your doing a great job

[f1 away]

They have made a mistake in the bill
It is criminalise 2 or 4 girls working together on the news tonight
It a bit of a joke Decriminalise the girls

It just like saying well give you a licence to sell petrol but
You can have any car coming in for petrol

[nonpareil]

They have made a mistake in the bill
It is criminalise 2 or 4 girls working together on the news tonight
It a bit of a joke Decriminalise the girls

It just like saying well give you a licence to sell petrol but
You can't have any car coming in for petrol

..........

[Baysideroller66]

Very many thanks for the steer on this as I was looking forward to reading the bill but yes I take on board what you say that there most likely will be many many changes here

The devil will be in the detail

[Zealot7]

Just a couple of thoughts:

• Just because it's been published, doesn't actually mean it'll get passed in a timely manner or even at all. There are a large amount of published bills that have been sitting there for a significant amount of time.
• With the time that it is at the moment, it's highly likely to be delayed before it's even put before the Dáil. You've got the budget at the moment, so at the very least don't expect anything until after that, then factor in you've a general election either early next year or late this year. It's a very long bill too given everything that's in it; it won't be passed overnight.
• Another thing I notice is that the "Reasonable Grounds" language is not in the bill anymore. It was "If a Garda has reasonable grounds", now it just says "If a person does <list of shit>". This presumably requires actual proof on behalf of the authorities as opposed to "reasonable grounds", it'll make things extremely difficult in court for them then.
• Its absurdity is likely to be its undoing too, as its worded it requires every straight or homosexual man or woman that are either married, in a relationship, having an affair/FWB type arrangement or a one night stands to be charged. I think (opinion of course) it's likely to get watered down before it's passed, or even if it does pass in it current form and a case goes to court a few years later it'll likely be thrown out on lack of evidence.
• As other posters have rightly said, it's completely and unequivocally unenforceable. The Gardai have neither the resources or the powers to police it effectively in the case of the way independent ladies go about their business.

Taken that together, I'm not so worried.

Although it's a sad time that this is even being considered by those in power, it really shows how far we've fallen as a country. It re-affirms every belief I've ever had in limited or small government.

[TonyB]

Just a couple of thoughts:

• Just because it's been published, doesn't actually mean it'll get passed in a timely manner or even at all. There are a large amount of published bills that have been sitting there for a significant amount of time.
• With the time that it is at the moment, it's highly likely to be delayed before it's even put before the Dáil. You've got the budget at the moment, so at the very least don't expect anything until after that, then factor in you've a general election either early next year or late this year. It's a very long bill too given everything that's in it; it won't be passed overnight.
• Another thing I notice is that the "Reasonable Grounds" language is not in the bill anymore. It was "If a Garda has reasonable grounds", now it just says "If a person does <list of shit>". This presumably requires actual proof on behalf of the authorities as opposed to "reasonable grounds", it'll make things extremely difficult in court for them then.
• Its absurdity is likely to be its undoing too, as its worded it requires every straight or homosexual man or woman that are either married, in a relationship, having an affair/FWB type arrangement or a one night stands to be charged. I think (opinion of course) it's likely to get watered down before it's passed, or even if it does pass in it current form and a case goes to court a few years later it'll likely be thrown out on lack of evidence.
• As other posters have rightly said, it's completely and unequivocally unenforceable. The Gardai have neither the resources or the powers to police it effectively in the case of the way independent ladies go about their business.

Taken that together, I'm not so worried.

Although it's a sad time that this is even being considered by those in power, it really shows how far we've fallen as a country. It re-affirms every belief I've ever had in limited or small government.

Good post.
I really object to being criminalised for something that is natural to want to do

[Stonie]

Just a couple of thoughts:

• Just because it's been published, doesn't actually mean it'll get passed in a timely manner or even at all. There are a large amount of published bills that have been sitting there for a significant amount of time.
• With the time that it is at the moment, it's highly likely to be delayed before it's even put before the Dáil. You've got the budget at the moment, so at the very least don't expect anything until after that, then factor in you've a general election either early next year or late this year. It's a very long bill too given everything that's in it; it won't be passed overnight.
• Another thing I notice is that the "Reasonable Grounds" language is not in the bill anymore. It was "If a Garda has reasonable grounds", now it just says "If a person does <list of shit>". This presumably requires actual proof on behalf of the authorities as opposed to "reasonable grounds", it'll make things extremely difficult in court for them then.
• Its absurdity is likely to be its undoing too, as its worded it requires every straight or homosexual man or woman that are either married, in a relationship, having an affair/FWB type arrangement or a one night stands to be charged. I think (opinion of course) it's likely to get watered down before it's passed, or even if it does pass in it current form and a case goes to court a few years later it'll likely be thrown out on lack of evidence.
• As other posters have rightly said, it's completely and unequivocally unenforceable. The Gardai have neither the resources or the powers to police it effectively in the case of the way independent ladies go about their business.

Taken that together, I'm not so worried.

Although it's a sad time that this is even being considered by those in power, it really shows how far we've fallen as a country. It re-affirms every belief I've ever had in limited or small government.

but it will be passed and will be more strictly policed than Northern Ireland

[MidlifeCrisis]

but it will be passed and will be more strictly policed than Northern Ireland

Why do you expect it to be policed more strictly than NI?

[annabel taylor]

Why do you expect it to be policed more strictly than NI?

Because he been dramatic