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    A member posted the results of a recent survey that indicated that 97% of the population believed that girls were being trafficked into Ireland and forced into prostitution. This is an urban myth that has largely been created by TV and movies. Every police and drama series has a story line about beautiful young girls being forced into sexual slavery by wicked gangsters. What is not to like about it for a television producer? The unfortunate thing is that the vast majority have come to believe that this is reality.

    Ruhama et al have jumped on this particular bandwagon to push their anti-male, anti-sex agenda. I think of it as ‘The Emperor’s Clothes’ syndrome. No one can see any evidence that they exist but everyone swears that they can see them because no one will stand up and be counted. Even the female police commissioner seems to subscribe to the hysteria when she has to know better.

    At this stage, I think that we have to recognise that the anti-trafficking crusade has built up such a momentum that even the truth that the problem does not exist will not stop it. I believe that the best that can be achieved now is to try and divert the anti-trafficking crusade to a less destructive path.

    Our tack should be to put forward a proposal which would be more focussed on stopping trafficking and not drive the whole business underground into the hands of the criminals. Ruhama and the media have built up this image of poor innocent girls being chained to beds and abused by wicked men for their perverted pleasure. We should turn this against them

    Basically, my alternate law would be that it would be a criminal offense to pay for sex with someone who is not licenced to sell sex. In order to get a licence, escorts would just need to go to a police station and swear that they were entering the business of their own free will. They would be informed that they could then or at any other time report to the police that they were being coerced into selling sex in which case they would be protected and cared for. I see the escorts as being issued with a simple licence with their photo and stage name.

    I believe that the above is a more sensible law and more particularly targeted at the ‘traffickers’ and not at those clearly in the profession of their own free will. I do not like the idea of escorts having to get a licence but I think that something has to be offered to placate the anti-trafficking brigade. I further believe that my proposed law would be more politically acceptable as its main focus would not be to support the current situation. This alternate law could be marketed as a more effective and direct way of putting the ‘criminals’ and ‘traffickers’ out of business and ensuring that women are independent, informed and protected. If Ruhama refused to endorse this proposal, their real motives would be exposed.

    Constructively, this would mean a letter writing campaign pointing out the 'Naivety' of Ruhama's approach, thinking that prostitution can be eradicated, the dangers of the business being driven underground into the hands of the gangsters and the lack of any protection or help for the women involved.


    Any other ideas anyone???????
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    Quote Originally Posted by zoozoozoo View Post
    First idea
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    Where else? and why keep it secrete? The reality is that Ruhama's approach is an appallingly bad way to try and tackle trafficking, which is what they say that they are about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mexicanpete View Post
    Where else? and why keep it secrete? The reality is that Ruhama's approach is an appallingly bad way to try and tackle trafficking, which is what they say that they are about.
    Because Ruhama/TORL spend more time on this website than the average client does.

    If they come across any means which clients have by which to avoid detection/prosecution under Swedish-style Legislation, they will use this information to strengthen any Legislation which is being considered.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Equalizer View Post
    Because Ruhama/TORL spend more time on this website than the average client does.

    If they come across any means which clients have by which to avoid detection/prosecution under Swedish-style Legislation, they will use this information to strengthen any Legislation which is being considered.
    A client advocating clear detection and licensing of sex workers, so that the police can find real trafficked sex workers, is not something to be ashamed of or hidden.

    I agree with the idea, other than the face picture. It would be scary to think that anyone might find that on record or it could prevent work in future occupations, so for me it would be a distinguishing mark and stage name as identity and a code that would belong to the individual like a national insurance number. This would need to be renewed yearly, as things do change.

    Or better still. Use the New Zealand law which actually works and protects sex workers as workers!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CurvaceousKate View Post
    A client advocating clear detection and licensing of sex workers, so that the police can find real trafficked sex workers, is not something to be ashamed of or hidden.

    I agree with the idea, other than the face picture. It would be scary to think that anyone might find that on record or it could prevent work in future occupations, so for me it would be a distinguishing mark and stage name as identity and a code that would belong to the individual like a national insurance number. This would need to be renewed yearly, as things do change.

    Or better still. Use the New Zealand law which actually works and protects sex workers as workers!
    +1

    Agree completely, well said Kate x
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    Quote Originally Posted by CurvaceousKate View Post
    A client advocating clear detection and licensing of sex workers, so that the police can find real trafficked sex workers, is not something to be ashamed of or hidden.

    I agree with the idea, other than the face picture. It would be scary to think that anyone might find that on record or it could prevent work in future occupations, so for me it would be a distinguishing mark and stage name as identity and a code that would belong to the individual like a national insurance number. This would need to be renewed yearly, as things do change.

    Or better still. Use the New Zealand law which actually works and protects sex workers as workers!
    Can you give us a synopsis of the New Zealand law? I, and I would guess many here are not familiar with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Equalizer View Post
    Because Ruhama/TORL spend more time on this website than the average client does.

    If they come across any means which clients have by which to avoid detection/prosecution under Swedish-style Legislation, they will use this information to strengthen any Legislation which is being considered.
    This is almost certainly the case and yet their proposal to the insane JOC committee on prostitution law reform was taken as their recommendations almost to the word and it included the insane beyond comprehension recommendation (which was accepted) that anybody, be it punter, sex worker looking for health advice/dangerous punter warnings or curious teenage child downloading an escort related site e.g. EI, to be the legal equivalent of a child molester downloading scenes of children being raped and abused!
    As was pointed out at the time along with the sheer complete insanity of it, so insane it hasn't even been accepted by Fitsie, yet, the day that was put forward by the insane relevant JOC, was the best day child molesters/child rapists have had in a long time, imagine normalizing that scum of the earth to consenting adults such as us!
    Ride them on the beaches!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mexicanpete View Post
    Can you give us a synopsis of the New Zealand law? I, and I would guess many here are not familiar with it.
    I'm more than happy to help where I can. First of all here is the information online about it CLICK HERE

    Synopsis form:

    • It is illegal to pay for sex with anyone under 18
    • It is illegal to make someone sell sex against their will
    • Brothel owners must have a certificate to run one. However up to 4 Independent escorts can work together without a certificate, as long as they keep their own earnings.
    • Refusal to work as a sex worker does not stop entitlement to unemployment payment.
    • This law is to be reviewed every 3 to 5 years by 11 appointed people for review.


    This means that sex workers are protected by these clauses and can and do get people prosecuted for trying to abuse them in the work place or force them to do anything they are not happy to do. It completely protects those that are not working of their choice or those that are open to exploitation within the work place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Libertarian View Post
    This is almost certainly the case and yet their proposal to the insane JOC committee on prostitution law reform was taken as their recommendations almost to the word and it included the insane beyond comprehension recommendation (which was accepted) that anybody, be it punter, sex worker looking for health advice/dangerous punter warnings or curious teenage child downloading an escort related site e.g. EI, to be the legal equivalent of a child molester downloading scenes of children being raped and abused!
    As was pointed out at the time along with the sheer complete insanity of it, so insane it hasn't even been accepted by Fitsie, yet, the day that was put forward by the insane relevant JOC, was the best day child molesters/child rapists have had in a long time, imagine normalizing that scum of the earth to consenting adults such as us!

    I have said many times here over the years that it is crazy to have the girls' favourites, including the likes of rimming, hardsports and other explicit details, on an open website. It is like a red rag to a bull in respect of the 'score brownie points with god brigade' and would turn the majority against us. How difficult would it have been for E-I to have things like 'favourites' and 'reviews' only viewable by members?

    This is an open forum but there is nothing that I can do about it. As I see it, the current situation is untenable in the face of the avalanche coming at us. I believe that we have to devise a better law which more directly targets the traffickers and the exploitation of women which is the main concern of the general public.

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