Sexual offences Bill

[The Highlander]

The law says the 1st offense is a fine of €500, NOT a court appearance (where did people get this from?)

The heads of bill say nothing of the sort. Here's were people got the real facts from:

Head 10 New section 5A in Act of 1993
(offence of purchasing sexual services)

Provide that –
The following section is inserted after section 5 of the Act of 1993
“Offence of purchasing sexual services

5A(1) For the purposes of this head, the term “sexual service” shall have the same
meaning as the term “sexual activity.”

(2) Where, in the context of prostitution, any person who purchases a sexual service
from another person, in any place, he or she shall be guilty of an offence.

(3) A person guilty of an offence under this section shall be liable on summary
conviction to:

(a) a class E fine, in the case of a first conviction, or

(b) a class D fine, in the case of a second or subsequent conviction.

(4) Any person who attempts to purchase a sexual service from another person, in
any place, he or she shall be guilty of an offence and shall be liable on summary
conviction to a class E fine.


Fine classes
A summary offence is one which can only be dealt with by a judge sitting without a jury, that is, the District Court. Under the Fines Act 2010, since January 2011 there are 5 categories or classes of maximum fine applying to summary convictions. If someone is liable on summary conviction to a particular class of fine, the maximum fine is as given below. For example, the maximum fine for class B is €4,000.

Fine Class A B C D E
Maximum fine €5,000 €4,000 €2,500 €1,000 €500

[Genie in a Bottle]

No sex worker is going to send you to their apartment before giving further instruction. Sounds like you're one of the ones that insists on walking along while being given the instructions.

Also while we're on the subject, why do guys insist on repeating the number of the apartment when you give it to them? If you're wanting clarification, just ask the lady/gent to say it again and if it sounds the same you have it. If it still doesn't work and they have seen you and know you are there, then ask them to text the number as you can't here well. Just keep discrete!

what do you mean?

[Johnny Simpleton]

This will be my last post in this thread I reckon, I can't be bothered arguing this anymore.

I can see this definitely being enforced with those who solicit the use of street girls, but I still can't see it being policed when it comes to truly independent escorts no matter how hard I try, and here's why:

Yes it's true a garda could ring up a girl, pretend to be a client and get directions from her to her apartment. The girl sees him as another time-waster and doesn't think more of it. Then, it's also true he could wait outside said apartment watching for punters coming and going, and yes it's true that the silly wording of "Reasonable Grounds" could mean the Garda could at least try and get you to pay a fine if caught and you stupidly admit to anything. The law says the 1st offense is a fine of €500, NOT a court appearance (where did people get this from?)

BUT... how difficult it is going to be to identify punters coming and going will vary. If it's a quiet location, people coming and going will be obvious. Are they punters though? Couldn't they just be people visiting friends? How will the Garda know? On the other hand, if it's a busy city apartment block, there are going to be a lot of people coming and going so a would-be punter isn't going to stand out phone-to-ear or no phone-to-ear as long as he doesn't draw huge amounts of attention to himself.

Then, lets say the garda becomes convinced somebody who arrives and then leaves an hour later actually IS a punter. What do they do then? Hassle them and try and get them to admit to paying for sex? What if that person actually isn't a punter? It's highly possible in a busy city location, people aren't going to appreciate being hassled by the gardai into admitting into paying for sex if they haven't done so.

Even if the guy is a punter, can't he just deny everything and refuse to give away any information? Where's the proof they're going to have if they're just observing the door of an apartment block? Where's their justification going to be for demanding all this information from you?

And then... how many clients do escorts here have in a day? 3/4/5/6? Having to wait an extended period of time outside an apartment block with 24/7 style surveillance just to have a slim chance of catching a punter or two with zero proof or leverage to get them to admit to anything seems like a very fruitless thing to do. Then... how many escorts are in any one town/city at a time?

The task of adequately policing it is monumental. It just isn't going to happen, it doesn't even happen in countries that have the stupid "Nordic Model" law in the case of escorts. I'd be extremely surprised if they even go after punters AT ALL here. The only way it can realistically happen is if the Gardai are given the powers police forces like the Gestapo in Nazi Germany had, and thankfully we're not there yet.

TL;DR: It can't be policed and won't be in the case of independent escorts as long as the punter and escort alike keep their wits about them.

Anyway... I'm outta this thread.

I enjoy your posts but can a guard stop you if he suspects you and ask for your mobile phone to check it ( i got a punting phone now with escorts numbers in it)and do you have to answer their sometimes personal questions

[Curvaceous Kate]

what do you mean?

I mean that you are told the code or apartment/room number you really shouldn't repeat it while outside the actual location, so anyone passing by may here you. So the girl says...'I'm in room 55' and he says, 'Did you say room 55?' in a relatively loud voice and then continues to ask for clarification.

I have actually said to guys. 'Stay where you are and listen to the instructions' By the time I've finished, the guy then says, 'okay... I'm here now, what was the number again?' This makes me want to put the phone down!

[Johnny Simpleton]

I mean that you are told the code or apartment/room number you really shouldn't repeat it while outside the actual location, so anyone passing by may here you. So the girl says...'I'm in room 55' and he says, 'Did you say room 55?' in a relatively loud voice and then continues to ask for clarification.

I have actually said to guys. 'Stay where you are and listen to the instructions' By the time I've finished, the guy then says, 'okay... I'm here now, what was the number again?' This makes me want to put the phone down!

I think that the way most of us guys are. i'm guilty myself of doing it, can't help it, sorry

[oscarmilde]

bottom line is, you have to be caught red handed to have clear evidence and that won't be easy. Just be careful and you should be okay. I'll stick with my regulars with PM until the dust settles.

[fideldarcy]

seen it happen a fair bit in d4 appartments with call taker

[bollocks]

If you pay in advance, say even a day in advance, the lady might offer you sexual intercourse, or something else

[bollocks]

If you negage in sexual activities with a prostitute for free,,, because you know her well and settle up elsewhere, is that ok?

[redone7010]

No sex worker is going to send you to their apartment before giving further instruction. Sounds like you're one of the ones that insists on walking along while being given the instructions.

Also while we're on the subject, why do guys insist on repeating the number of the apartment when you give it to them? If you're wanting clarification, just ask the lady/gent to say it again and if it sounds the same you have it. If it still doesn't work and they have seen you and know you are there, then ask them to text the number as you can't here well. Just keep discrete!

I have a bit more cop on than to walk around with a phone to my ear talking to an escort, but regardless of that you would appear to have misunderstood the point I was trying to make.
I wasn`t suggesting the escort should give out the number of her apartment before a client enters the apartment block, but that for discretion she could give the key code of the entrance door to the apartment block the client arrives at the outer door and not have him standing with a phone to his ear in full public view.
Once the client is inside the main door, would it not make more sense discretion wise for him to then phone for the number of her apartment?