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[ber]

We have on the spot fines in the UK already chick. You can be given an anti social fine, a fine for drinking in public, there are a few. I don't think you pay it there and then though, you go to the local station with the written notice. I would imagine you have a similar process here for speeding fines and so on.

We aren't Sweden, Norway. But if we are copying their legislation we might as well be.

Yes we have on the spot fines for road traffic offences but it has to be part of the leglislation, in the case of this new bill there
is no option of an on the spot fine it has to go to court. The penalties are a maximum fine of 500 e for a first offence and 1000e for second and subsequent offences.
I hazard a guess here but my feeling is that the reasoning behind not having on the spot fines is that they see the court appearance as the detterent not the fine

[Lucy Chambers]

Don't even think a fine can be paid in the police station, to prevent corruption, it has to be posted and handled by civil servants.
Point is, Morrow's Bill has no provision for paying an on-the-spot fine, if the police wish to do anything other than simply mess you about, and Morrow has already stated he will be pushing for prosecutions, then they have to take you to court. Bad news = end up in court.
(Less) good news = cannot brow-beat you into simply paying an on the spot fine, if it goes to court with legal representation, if it proves hard/impossble to prove they may back off. Of course if they do get a few successes it will encourage them.

Hmm. I'm kind of positive that when I was reading a draft of the proposed criminal tariffs for ROI, a fine was pushed. its possible I was wrong. Let me have a nosy later, I just have to go play with a penis.
Ciao

[bootboy]

Yes we have on the spot fines for road traffic offences but it has to be part of the leglislation, in the case of this new bill there
is no option of an on the spot fine it has to go to court. The penalties are a maximum fine of 500 e for a first offence and 1000e for second and subsequent offences.
I hazard a guess here but my feeling is that the reasoning behind not having on the spot fines is that they see the court appearance as the detterent not the fine

No doubt. A quick, confidential, on the spot fine would not be a credible detterent.

[Lucy Chambers]

Yes we have on the spot fines for road traffic offences but it has to be part of the leglislation, in the case of this new bill there
is no option of an on the spot fine it has to go to court. The penalties are a maximum fine of 500 e for a first offence and 1000e for second and subsequent offences.
I hazard a guess here but my feeling is that the reasoning behind not having on the spot fines is that they see the court appearance as the detterent not the fine

Maybe that's where I had the fine idea from. One thing for surE, going to court will be costly but establishing a vice squad will be more so...let's hope funds are lacking.

[SteveB]

Hmm. I'm kind of positive that when I was reading a draft of the proposed criminal tariffs for ROI, a fine was pushed. its possible I was wrong. Let me have a nosy later, I just have to go play with a penis.
Ciao

ROI may be different.
If so, bit like illegal parking. Just pay the fine, and be on your way.

[warmcome]

Hmm. I'm kind of positive that when I was reading a draft of the proposed criminal tariffs for ROI, a fine was pushed. its possible I was wrong. Let me have a nosy later, I just have to go play with a penis.
Ciao

Don't do too much of that now, Lucy x

[Stephanie]

But if you have an unregistered paid for by cash throwaway 'punting phone' , AND (!!) keep communication to bare

minimum of setting time / location , it cannot compromise you. (so long phone is not found in your possession) x

Do NOT share personal info , if you don't want to be in an awkward position (however remote that possibility might be).


The current case (I don't know all the details , but) -- the guy referred to a promotion he's got , referred to his kid's

birthday (I think) , and so matching up those life events with the individual under scrutiny was not difficult.

Keep it simple !

You wanna chat to your girl ?

Do it in person ! xx






Also : current case is a murder case. Homicide. I doubt the authorities would be going to such extents and dig so deep

when it's only a question of a couple of consenting adults playing behind closed doors. Their technical capability is there ;

would they bother ? Just to bust a Johnnie Sunday for a minor transgression ? .... Resources ?

You are quite wrong about the unregistered phone, Stephanie. It's possibly to monitor conversations already, and phone companies have to keep the records by law for up to one year.

http://www.theguardian.com/technolog...linesupplement

If you want to have off the record conversations Skype would actually be safer, but this isn't the place for these discussions. The above link was for 2001, you can guarantee things have greatly advanced since then.

Your post does not contradict my advice

[ber]

Maybe that's where I had the fine idea from. One thing for surE, going to court will be costly but establishing a vice squad will be more so...let's hope funds are lacking.

As i have said before the policing of this is near impossible, you really would have to be so unlucky to be caught but and this is a big but if u do happen to be one of the handful of people that will undoubtdly be prosecuted the reprocussions are totally
out of context.
What u are looking at is a pretty trivial offence with probably a fine of 100e but the fallout will possibly ruin your life.
In good old Ireland this will be viewed as a terrible shame and disgrace, i can guarntee if u were up in court for robbing
someone or assaulting somebody there wont be any of the stigma attached to those offences that there will be to visiting
an escort. U will just be seen as a dirty sex fiend end of.

[bootboy]

As i have said before the policing of this is near impossible, you really would have to be so unlucky to be caught but and this is a big but if u do happen to be one of the handful of people that will undoubtdly be prosecuted the reprocussions are totally
out of context.
What u are looking at is a pretty trivial offence with probably a fine of 100e but the fallout will possibly ruin your life.
In good old Ireland this will be viewed as a terrible shame and disgrace, i can guarntee if u were up in court for robbing
someone or assaulting somebody there wont be any of the stigma attached to those offences that there will be to visiting
an escort. U will just be seen as a dirty sex fiend end of.

And that's why its going to be very easy to police. One/two smart dedicated gardai could wreck havoc very easily.

[Lucy Chambers]

Your post does not contradict my advice

My post directly contradicts your advice, as do the links I provided. You are assuming the clients phone will be the issue, I ink it more likely the escorts phones will be the issue. Using triangulation data you can place one person almost exactly, all you have to do then is watch the other link I provided is more interesting, in particular two phrases of it.


Chasing clients doesn't work. Therefore they chase the sex workers

That's the real issue. People are getting comfortable thinking it's all the clients problem but in reality, it's a mutual problem. I no more want to go to court as a witness than I want to see a client criminalised for a natural act that should be celebrated

I gave the client a paper to legalise our visit

And that dear Stephanie, is the real crux Instead of people worrying about phones and working out punting codes they need to work on that.

I'm quite serious, when I say this isn't the place for these discussions. I'm happy to discuss this with anyone who has a real worry about it, but not in this forum, showboating won't fix a thing.