Graham Dwyer trial hears extraordinary claims of sexual manipulation, abuse, blood an

[slavetoyou]

But that sounds like a contradiction in terms. Surely, the purists want it all beyond safe and consensual ?

They should all be locked up !

Who are they and why should they be locked up?

Cassandra lists three things :

1. Safe: however extreme both parties have to play safe so as to avoid any accidents and situations where the Domme is left with a lifeless corpse.

2. Sane: that is relative to the sub and Domme who are playing, what is sane to me maybe insane to you, it goes back to point number 1, it has to be safe.

3. Consensual: this goes without saying otherwise it is just abuse. The reason you go to a professional Dominatrix is because it something you want and you know it will be delivered safely and correctly. That why there is a safe

As possibly a "purist" I do like my Mistress to push me and push me hard she does. We have a safe word but I choose not to use it, I leave it to my Mistress to decide when I have had enough but if I was weak then I have the option to use the safe word. I have asked my Mistress to push me to certain extremes and my Mistress as a professional takes my ideas and tailors them to suit my needs while as bad as it may look and feel at the time it is all done by a professional who constanly assess my condition.

No-one really wants to die or to be abused, we only want to be pushed.

Can I ask? Are you a thug or a man who likes to lick boots, I am only asking as your username could mean either. If its the latter then I thought you may have got the BDSM bit.

[maxq]

There is no evidence to prove he did it,the body wasn't even buried,he will be found not guilty.

they have linked to to the scene with the mobile phones

that will be enough IMO

but he will appeal no doubt

a very interesting case, but should we be talking about it while the case is still in the courts

[hornylimerick]

Whatever the outcome, it's a very sad affair for everyone involved, its extremely hard on the families of both sides,,,one can only hope never to be in their situation,,,

[bootboy]

they have linked to to the scene with the mobile phones

that will be enough IMO

but he will appeal no doubt

a very interesting case, but should we be talking about it while the case is still in the courts

Yes of course. The fun is in the speculation. No Court or jury is going to be influenced by the posts of a few sex maniacs on here.

[bootboy]

Who are they and why should they be locked up?

Cassandra lists three things :

1. Safe: however extreme both parties have to play safe so as to avoid any accidents and situations where the Domme is left with a lifeless corpse.

2. Sane: that is relative to the sub and Domme who are playing, what is sane to me maybe insane to you, it goes back to point number 1, it has to be safe.

3. Consensual: this goes without saying otherwise it is just abuse. The reason you go to a professional Dominatrix is because it something you want and you know it will be delivered safely and correctly. That why there is a safe

As possibly a "purist" I do like my Mistress to push me and push me hard she does. We have a safe word but I choose not to use it, I leave it to my Mistress to decide when I have had enough but if I was weak then I have the option to use the safe word. I have asked my Mistress to push me to certain extremes and my Mistress as a professional takes my ideas and tailors them to suit my needs while as bad as it may look and feel at the time it is all done by a professional who constanly assess my condition.

No-one really wants to die or to be abused, we only want to be pushed.

Can I ask? Are you a thug or a man who likes to lick boots, I am only asking as your username could mean either. If its the latter then I thought you may have got the BDSM bit.

Sex work and real BDSM don't really go together. The escort just wants the fees for the service so she is not really interested in inflicting pain. There may be exceptions to that but I would guess they are exceptions. That would dilute the experience for me. Furthermore, for the paying recipient, he knows that the escort is only inflicting the pain for the fees, not because this turns her on, so really it is self-infliction of pain. What's the point in that ? Surely for the purist, there has to be a meeting of minds. The giver has to genuinely ' get off ' on the meeting out of the pain and is the one who 'controls ' the level of pain and the receiver , at the mercy of the giver, has to enjoy the lack of control.

I know you are not going to agree with what I have said anyway. I get role play which is a mind game. Getting someone to bash you until your bottom bleeds goes way beyond this. Frankly, I think you need help. This stuff cant be good for you.

[Meursault]

is it not illegal to discuss the case before the verdict is announced

[bootboy]

is it not illegal to discuss the case before the verdict is announced

Who gives a rats even if strictly it is ? Its of no consequence here.

[slavetoyou]

Sex work and real BDSM don't really go together. The escort just wants the fees for the service so she is not really interested in inflicting pain. There may be exceptions to that but I would guess they are exceptions. That would dilute the experience for me. Furthermore, for the paying recipient, he knows that the escort is only inflicting the pain for the fees, not because this turns her on, so really it is self-infliction of pain. What's the point in that ? Surely for the purist, there has to be a meeting of minds. The giver has to genuinely ' get off ' on the meeting out of the pain and is the one who 'controls ' the level of pain and the receiver , at the mercy of the giver, has to enjoy the lack of control.

I know you are not going to agree with what I have said anyway. I get role play which is a mind game. Getting someone to bash you until your bottom bleeds goes way beyond this. Frankly, I think you need help. This stuff cant be good for you.

From what I read and know from experience the true dommes on this site do enjoy inflicting some pain on their subs. There are escorts who advertise domination but only do so to tick a box and it is these lady's whom the purist will know is only doing it for the fee. Make no mistake it all revolves around the fee but a lady who specialises in domination will get a certain kick out of having men grovel at her feet while she does what she wishes with them.
None of these pro-dommes would actually beat an innocent civilian against his will, that is just brutal but they will beat a willing participant to his limits.

Being beaten till my ass bleeds may look brutal and self destructive but I disagree, what do you think of boxers, MMA fighters all who endure pain and give out pain for enjoyment but being true sports men would never lift a finger to anyone else only if in self defence. This example has been used before by myself and others but take a long distance runner, they will run and run until their body aches, they puke and come close to exhaustion, but they push on, they push their bodies and when they achieve their goal they are euphoric and they will do it all again only maybe pushing for a better time or longer distance next time.
The people who train 5-7 days a week in the gym are of a similar mindset, they push themselves and it relieves stresses and makes them feel good.

Whipping is the one thing that really pushes me, it is hard and it is brutal (but only as hard as my Mistress decides and she uses her judgement and skill to deliver such a whipping, each whipping is different to each client, some of the strokes she give some clients would be like a playful prod for me while some of the strokes I get would be like torture to others) but it is escapism and it is mentally stimulating. The blood and the bruising are side effects but only temporary, the body heals and the mind grows.

I can see why you may think it is extreme and that I may need help but that is only looking at things from your side. There are many on this site like me who get pushed to extreme if not worse but they are maybe not as vocal for fear of being judged or else they just couldn't be bothered. They're is a massive market for "extreme" BDSM so I'm not alone in this world.

Do not judge what you have not experienced. That is not a jibe at you, its just a fact.

[slavetoyou]

is it not illegal to discuss the case before the verdict is announced

Only if your a member of the jury, if that was the case the papers would not be able to print the OP.

[bootboy]

From what I read and know from experience the true dommes on this site do enjoy inflicting some pain on their subs. There are escorts who advertise domination but only do so to tick a box and it is these lady's whom the purist will know is only doing it for the fee. Make no mistake it all revolves around the fee but a lady who specialises in domination will get a certain kick out of having men grovel at her feet while she does what she wishes with them.
None of these pro-dommes would actually beat an innocent civilian against his will, that is just brutal but they will beat a willing participant to his limits.

Being beaten till my ass bleeds may look brutal and self destructive but I disagree, what do you think of boxers, MMA fighters all who endure pain and give out pain for enjoyment but being true sports men would never lift a finger to anyone else only if in self defence. This example has been used before by myself and others but take a long distance runner, they will run and run until their body aches, they puke and come close to exhaustion, but they push on, they push their bodies and when they achieve their goal they are euphoric and they will do it all again only maybe pushing for a better time or longer distance next time.
The people who train 5-7 days a week in the gym are of a similar mindset, they push themselves and it relieves stresses and makes them feel good.

Whipping is the one thing that really pushes me, it is hard and it is brutal (but only as hard as my Mistress decides and she uses her judgement and skill to deliver such a whipping, each whipping is different to each client, some of the strokes she give some clients would be like a playful prod for me while some of the strokes I get would be like torture to others) but it is escapism and it is mentally stimulating. The blood and the bruising are side effects but only temporary, the body heals and the mind grows.

I can see why you may think it is extreme and that I may need help but that is only looking at things from your side. There are many on this site like me who get pushed to extreme if not worse but they are maybe not as vocal for fear of being judged or else they just couldn't be bothered. They're is a massive market for "extreme" BDSM so I'm not alone in this world.

Do not judge what you have not experienced. That is not a jibe at you, its just a fact.

You cant compare the physical efforts of world class athletes or professional boxers to guys who like getting beaten up for the (sexual ? ) enjoyment of it.

Look you seem an ok guy, intelligent and very articulate and I wish you well. Hopefully, the continuing pushing out of your limits doesn't end in tears or worse.