EI on prime time again

[Wildthang]

How can u say that , did it not highlight the problem.How can you say it is onesided , what other side should been put forward..........the pimps. You have to ask ure self where these gangs advertise their trafficked girls.

Eventually u will see that allowing these agencies advertise as independendents is putting us punters under risk of arrest, ie when go see an independent in an apartment only to find two or three other girls there, thus making it a brothel which is illegal

ffs pat , u dont fool anyone here. "piece of tat" my arse ,just cut a little close to the bone i think


nbt

Good point you make there nb3

[kelvin]

I saw it. Another badly researched and completely one-sided piece of tat...

Can you be absolutely certain that escort numbers advertised on this site do not include trafficked girls? If you cannot be sure then you are profiting from sex trafficking. I am not making any judgements, but I would be interested in your comments Patricia.

[experienced punter]

Agencies obviously would be the ones who have trafficked girls though I never suspected it myself to be quite honest It never really occurred to me not because I didn't care its just that I wasnt aware that any of this still goes on Anyway the programme was shocking if only for the mention of a girl of 15 who said she was working in Christchurch for the past 2 years as an escort Now that is shocking....

[Patricia]

How can u say that , did it not highlight the problem.How can you say it is onesided , what other side should been put forward..........the pimps. You have to ask ure self where these gangs advertise their trafficked girls.

The other side I'd have liked to have been put forward is that not all women working in the sex industry in Ireland are trafficked. They had numerous guests on to talk about how prostitutes in Ireland are trafficking victims. They didn't have so much as one comment from anyone other than Ruhama and the anti-prostituion squad. That was very poor in my opinion. Sure even the Nolan show the other night that is a much lower budget production invited one guest on to put across the point that not all sex workers are forced sex slaves.

What did you think NBT? Did you approve did you? Do you agree that prostitution in Ireland is sex slavery and nothing more?

Eventually u will see that allowing these agencies advertise as independendents is putting us punters under risk of arrest, ie when go see an independent in an apartment only to find two or three other girls there, thus making it a brothel which is illegal

That's right, blame me for something completely out of my control instead of address the real issues.

ffs pat , u dont fool anyone here. "piece of tat" my arse ,just cut a little close to the bone i think

No NBT, the programme was shite. I just pointed out the truth.

You are getting very quick with the agressive smart remarks lately. Do you have any other talents? Are you able to make intelligent remarks?

[Epsilon]

I just watched it on line and found it to be badly researched and a typical RTE knee jerk reaction. The Guards raid several brothels and RTE jump to make a documetary. You will find that this was a last minute idea and they had 24 hours to come up with something.
Personaly i think that an Escort should have been interviewed and allowed to put the independants side of the argument across.
I agree with some of what 9x3 says, but how can E-I or any of us know whether we are visiting "trafficed girls"? If you have any doubt that a girl is trafficed for sex, then leave. A 15yo girl working in Christchurch for the last 2 years, thats disgusting, there is no denying that, but how can any body know untill they meet?
catch 22.

[funnights74]

Patricia, i am surprised that you dimissed the contents of the prime time item without apparently giving it any thought. You cannot ignore the fact that this is going on all over this country,and if you think it isn't then you are deluding yourself.
The footage that was put together by RTE which started off the feature was very poorly done,and obviously assembled as a reaction to the raids that took place on the previous day in locations throughout the country.
But the discussion that took place afterwards in the studio was a real eye opener.Some of the facts and figures quoted within this portion were disturbing to say the least and you referred to them as "Pieces of tat".
Experts from Amnesty International do not talk tat,Representatives of the United Nations do not talk tat.These Organisations have first hand experience of dealing with these issues all over the world, and for you to be so dismissive of their genuine concerns really reflects on you in a very poor way.
If you claim that trafficking is not happening then you are wrong, and if you claim that you don't know then you are ignorant.
Even though this site has a stated policy against People trafficking to what extent do you check every single ad placed by every single escort? Unless you do this you cannot say with any degree of certainty that you are not part of the problem.
As long as the E-I bank account is in the black do you choose to turn a blind eye to where the money comes from. Do profits come before morals?

[Patricia]

The footage that was put together by RTE which started off the feature was very poorly done,and obviously assembled as a reaction to the raids that took place on the previous day in locations throughout the country.
But the discussion that took place afterwards in the studio was a real eye opener.Some of the facts and figures quoted within this portion were disturbing to say the least and you referred to them as "Pieces of tat".
Experts from Amnesty International do not talk tat,Representatives of the United Nations do not talk tat.These Organisations have first hand experience of dealing with these issues all over the world, and for you to be so dismissive of their genuine concerns really reflects on you in a very poor way.
If you claim that trafficking is not happening then you are wrong, and if you claim that you don't know then you are ignorant.
Even though this site has a stated policy against People trafficking to what extent do you check every single ad placed by every single escort? Unless you do this you cannot say with any degree of certainty that you are not part of the problem.
As long as the E-I bank account is in the black do you choose to turn a blind eye to where the money comes from. Do profits come before morals?

In short, there was no new information for me in this programme, because I am very familiar with trafficking as an issue already. Also there was some misinformation which I never find helpful.

I can understand that if you don't know anything about trafficking, you could find something of interest in this programme, but there wasn't anything new or interesting to me in it.

I don't deny trafficking exists as an issue. Please look at my site and the warnings I put up about trafficking, look at the interviews I give to the press and how I always comment on trafficking etc. I don't deny trafficking exists. Never, never would I do that. What I reject is the Ruhama opinion that all prostitution is trafficked women.

Also it was the programme I described as "tat", not any one person on its contribution. To me, the programme was rubbish. I'm not saying the opinion of any one person on it was rubbish, but when you make a debate out of a group of people who all share pretty much the same views on an issue, it is not a debate.

Come on, if I made a youtube video with 5 guests coming on to saying there is no such thing as trafficking, it is all a myth, would you approve of that? Would you not think I should have invited at least one person who thinks trafficking does exists on?

[kelvin]

Could you answer the question, put to you twice now please? How can you be sure that advertisements placed on your site to not include trafficked girls?

[undoubtedly]

is it not the case though Patricia, that you are taking advertisements from agency owners like the one arrested in Wales who are well known to be, if not trafficking women, certainly harming them and threatening others? You may not condone it but are you not advertising it? Do you not think you should take a stand and distance your website from people who are known to mistreat women?

[Patricia]

Could you answer the question, put to you twice now please? How can you be sure that advertisements placed on your site to not include trafficked girls?

I cannot be sure of course. I would have thought that was obvious. How can you be sure the women you pay for sex are not trafficked? You cannot be sure of course. Blaming those who advertise escort services for trafficking is as logical as blaming men who visit escorts for trafficking.