The EU's anti trafficking coordinator was in Dublin this week and met with the justice minister and the minister has vowed to go ahead with this Bill by reducing the demand so thats by criminalising the clients.
The immigration council chief Denise Charltion welcome ed the comments also and said that action is need sooner rather than later.
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Big story on BBC 2 Newsnight yesterday on Asian and African "wives" who are arranged-married to cousins in Britain and become unpaid skivvies and sex slaves and are often beaten up. That's all legal, and because they're from abroad there's a fear that if anyone looks into it they'll be considered racist.
One solicitor has seen over 100 such ladies this year.
The police attitude is, we can't prosecute, it's his word against yours. That's trafficking and sex abuse as well. Does it happen here?
Mmmm-hmm
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:/ Italy's issue absolutely makes it cLear trafficking is a matter of border control and faster processing of immigrants. Increased efficiency in that ddepartment surely must be cheaper than a useless piece of legislation drafted for the sole reason of lining their pockets at the tax payers expense.
Ha.
What if "It's Raining Men" and 'Let the bodies hit the floor' are both about the same event but from different perspectives 🤔
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In the real world how will a Garda prove that sex was paid for? If both client and escort deny that sex took place or that money changed hands how can they prove otherwise unless standing in the room at the time. Also I presume the law will only cover penetrative sex and maybe oral which would leave a host of other methods not covered. Also if the escort says she was providing a massage and the client says this was what he was paying for how can they prove otherwise?
This is just to make "moral " Ireland feel like "something is been done about that kind of thing" but in reality will have little effect once people realise how easy it will be to get around.
Paying for sex has been around for centuries and if Francis Fitzgearld or anyone else think they have found a way to stop it they are deluded.
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I would like to draw attention to the following article
http://www.thejournal.ie/sex-workers...31445-Oct2014/
From the article
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A new survey released by Northern Ireland’s Department of Justice has revealed that 98% of sex workers are against criminalising the purchase of sex.
In both Northern Ireland and the Republic Of Ireland, Sex Sorkers (as well as clients, for that matter) have been vehemently denied the opportunity to put forth testimony to highlight the severe (and well documented) negative implications which result from implementation of the proposed Legislative Model. I believe it should be highlighted in mainstream media that Sex Workers were (and still are) being denied the opportunity to voice their concerns in this regard.
This would make buying, rather than selling, sex illegal.
"Selling of sex" is about the only aspect of this Legislative Model from which Sex Workers are "liberated" (for want of a better term [and I use the term "liberated" very loosley]);for example there are still intracicies within Swedish-style Legislation which enable the eviction of Sex Workers from their operational premises (if said premises also happens to be the Sex Worker's rented home, this could lead to homelessness). This is only one negative implication of Swedish-style Legislation.
Speaking today, Minister for Justice Frances Fitzgerald said she is examining the Nordic model.
“Many of you will be aware of the Nordic approach to legislation concerning prostitution which focuses on the criminalisation of the purchase of sex,” she said.
"I am examining very carefully the potential for legislative measures of this kind to support our efforts to reduce human trafficking".
It has been outlined that prostitution and human trafficking are two entirely seperate entities. This also needs to be highlighted and emphasised (it also needs to be highlighted that Swedish-style Legislation has actually benefited human scum such as pimps and human traffickers).
The Sex Workers Association of Ireland (SWAI) said this evening that they are eager to speak with Minister Fitzgerald on the issue.
“It is essential that she meets with the people whose lives and livelihood are being discussed, as it must be made clear that we are very opposed to this proposed legislation,” a statement read.
I believe it is paramount that the SWAI and Independent Sex Workers contact the Minister in order to highlight the negative implications Swedish-style Legislation would impose on all concerned.
Odds against you?
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Members of SWAI more than likely cannot vote in Ireland so I doubt the minister will pay much attention to them apart from telling them this legislation will be for their" own good".
Irelands default position with all problems is to either ban it or export it,whether it be sex, books, abortion, unemployment,drugs or anything else that impinges on our "wholesome" image. It wasnt that long ago when Irish courts gave people the choice of jail or going to England.
More than likely, by the end of next week it will be illegal to pay for sex in Northern Ireland. And seemingly both Sinn Féin and the DUP (who made the proposal) are both in agreement over this one.
Considering Sinn Féin have 14 TD's in the Dáil, their agreement on the legislation in the North will also work to their political advantage in the South. And I'm sure increase their appeal to some of the more 'moral' voters out there.
Where as the initial debate and media coverage seemed to be all about human trafficking, it now only seems to be about paying for sex, and that being made illegal. Unfortunately most of the politicians in the North are bonkers, and while the police announced last week that they'll probably have to cut back on community policing and other services, seemingly they'll now be in a situation where they have to devote resources to pursing anyone paying for sex. While the politicians can't get an agreement on how to budget for the issues that affect everyone in the North, such as hospitals, healthcare, education.
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The study was rubbished by the DUP within a few hours of publication. I am pretty sure that they hadn't really had the time to have read the whole 230+ pages of the study, digest it and discuss this with the rest of their party. And Sinn Féin backing the proposal before seeing the evidence...?Originally Posted by The Equalizer
The gardai suddenly back-tracking their statement saying that this bill would be impossible to police?
Makes you wonder
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So I'm sitting at a club and guy asks me "know why they're called cocktails?"
Why says I
"because Cock...in...tail"
...the guards will have a hell of a time with this one .
What if "It's Raining Men" and 'Let the bodies hit the floor' are both about the same event but from different perspectives 🤔
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