Her or me

[Oven Ready Eddie]

If anyone wants to say he they feel Liz should be banned, I am defo listening to that, but the way Samantha approached this is not the way to get things done.

Every week ladies contact me to complain about the behaviour of others on this message board. These complaints are always listened to and dealt with, and nearly all of the time the complaining lady is satisfied with the action we take to resolve the issue.

I'm aware Liz annoys many but many also like her.

Honestly, my opinion on what is going on here at the moment is that it is not Liz or any other individual user who is causing the problems here, it is general unrest and what is needed is for us to have a firm moderator here nearly 24/7, reading every single post and putting people back in their place when they step out of line.

This is what we plan to do, but I'm afraid we just don't have the staff to do it at the moment. We hope to quite soon, but in the meantime we are just doing our best with the staff we have.

I would personally live on these message boards, but for the fact I am currently overseeing major changes to E-I that have been a long time coming, that a lot of people want and that I believe will greatly improve this website and I'm not prepared to put off these changes any lonnger by spending all my time here so they never get done.

In this case Liz was calling Samantha names and Samantha was calling Liz names back.

Really if Samantha wanted Liz banned she should not have gone down to her level because when I looked at this I saw 2 people slagging each other off which is very different to one person attacking another out of nowhere. In that situation I didn't feel it was fair to say Liz you are banned for casting offensive insults, but Samantha you get no reprimand.

Yes Samantha is a sometime customer, but so are thousands of other ladies, and there are also tens of thousands of clients who use this website, who may not be paying customers of ours, but if we ignored their concerns we'd soon lose them and then where would this website be? We can't change our actions and plans to please one customer who is threatening to not be a customer unless we do something for her. We have to do what we believe is best for everyone overall.

I wish Samantha all the best and I don't ignore her feelings here, but no escort is ever going to dictate who is banned from using these message boards - That has to be my call.

Also this was not a situation where Liz attacked Samantha out of nowhere - It was an argument between the two of them where arguably Samantha gave as good as she got.

There was a similar argument between two other ladies earlier this week. I took the two ladies aside and explained to them that this message board was not their cat fight ground and if the arguing didn't stop I'd bar them both. One lady stopped instantly and explained she hadn't even wanted the argument in the first place. The other lady stopped more reluctantly just as I was about to ban her. However, in the end it was resolved and the bitching ended and both ladies got on with their business. My point is arguments can be resolved, it doesn't have to be "Her or me" and all this drama.

Also, just last week I permanently banned 2 people over attacks they made on a advertiser here. So I am well capable of doing it. But it has to be because I feel it is warranted, not because I'm being held to ransom.

Pat x

Fair enough also and thanks for that, if your understaffed, your understaffed but I get the feeling you use that as an excuse until the current storm passes and you have to get ahead of the storm here at some point or your farm will end up as hurricane fodder. Genuine Escorts and Clients are no going to wade through this shit indefinitely, its got nothing to do with what this place is for. How you can be understaffed when you charge twice the rate that IIE does has me beaten I have to say, they charge less, are a smaller outfit but simply do not have these problems Patricia so with respect womanpower to walk the beat 24/7alone in not at the root of this but would be a huge help if we could have confidence in clear rules of conduct being posted sometime in our ever shortening futures and rigorously enforced and before anyone gets on there high horse about free speech, free speech is not free, it never has been and freedom of speech does not give anyone the right to say the utter filth that has spewed from the mouths of many here lately an is showing no sign of stopping as its been months now. I like a good fair robust forum and not some nicey nicey fakeness but not this mess and for what its worth and again you will lose no sleep over this and why should you but I from having to wade through endless and pointless crap rangeing from name calling to peoples families being used as pawns to death threats here for months now only post here, my arrangements are made via other sites as a small protest so any money spent by Escorts here is wasted from my perspective and again they wont lose any sleep over little ole me but several other people have said much the same to me, they post here but poke elsewhere if I can put it as bluntly as that so if that body of punters grows Patricia then I can’t see any point in Escorts spending money here can you so please treat this aggression on boards as the biggest single danger to your site and get someone on top of these boards like a rash as I don’t think you see how its undermining you as I for one won’t be using this site until basic manners as we would expect as a bare baseline of common decency is restored and enforced on everyone

The power here is with the Escorts and rightly so but I as a consumer have power also and I have voted with my feet just as Samantha has also so again please sit up and take note before more do the same, its so easy to solve so why not solve it.

[Oven Ready Eddie]

Now that Sammys gone could Liz be given a second chance to post here so I can keep my beedy third eye on her And the removal of the maggot tag. If my demands aren't met by 3.00pm the chicken gets it

Jesus Highwayman do you mean 3:00 pm today ?. Bin Laden would have given me more notice then that, how am I gonna find someone to cover the night shift ? don’t come crowin to me if no eggs for breacky tomorrow. You have me like a headless chicken. I leave all my worldly possessions to my one true love, Liz, goodbye cruel world my time is short and my journey long, but this I say, I gave if fong.

[experienced punter]

I respect your opinion Eddie.

But I do not ban anyone at an advertiser's request.

And Samantha can't come on here at 11 o'clock at night saying somebody else must be banned or she is gone, and inform me she needs this resolved by the morning.

Also, since I said I wouldn't ban Liz by morning over this, Samantha has been in the "E-I The Soap Opera" section calling Liz names and saying Liz works for the agency behind E-I whatever that allegation is supposed to mean?

I'm sorry, but IMHO Samantha isn't being reasonable here.

Patricia I would redden your arse for u if u did a callout to me..

[Patricia]

Hi Eddie,

Thank you for your feedback.

In response I would like to say that we are genuinely understaffed and we are trying to solve that. We always have some trouble getting good staff - It is not easy we find, because of the nature of the industry I suppose. Also we are a fast growing business and we find we are needing increasing numbers of staff every month as the workload is just going up and up. Then, a few months ago we reached full capacity in our current office space and this has prevented us being able to take on new staff as we simply have nowhere to put them now. We promptly leased a new building with much more room, but believe it or not we are still not in the door due to it just taking forever for all the legal stuff to be sorted out. I had no idea leasing commercial property could be so complex legally, but it has been! Our understaffing has nothing to do with us not being prepared to pay more salaries, it is all the other issues as explained above.

Comparing us with IIE is not really comparing like with like. E-I has always been the above board, legally compliant, tax paying website. IIE has always been "Screw the law, catch us if you can!". They send people to check on escorts which we don't as we can't do this legally. They also have no tax to pay, no lawyers to pay, no accounting to do etc. Also they are of course a lot smaller than us. We have many more advertisers and our website does much more. Then, in terms of how well our websites are marketed and advertised and how much traffic we get, E-I is of course miles ahead. Ladies advertising here get massively more exoposure to clients which is what they pay for. E-I is actually one of the most popular sites in Ireland. The sheer amount of traffic we get now requires 2 full time staff on servers management alone.

I'm not going to argue your points that we need to get on top of these message boards ASAP because you are dead right. However the changes we are working on behind the scenes are also massively important. In fact, one of the reasons they are so important is that some of them will save certain members of our staff hours every day, therfore freeing them up to be able to spend time elsewhere, like on these message boards. We are working flat out and we are doing our very best. I'm sorry we aren't doing good enough in some areas currently, but we are really trying and I hope the fruits of all our hard work will start to become apparent soon.

Pat x

[Oven Ready Eddie]

Hi Eddie,

Thank you for your feedback.

In response I would like to say that we are genuinely understaffed and we are trying to solve that. We always have some trouble getting good staff - It is not easy we find, because of the nature of the industry I suppose. Also we are a fast growing business and we find we are needing increasing numbers of staff every month as the workload is just going up and up. Then, a few months ago we reached full capacity in our current office space and this has prevented us being able to take on new staff as we simply have nowhere to put them now. We promptly leased a new building with much more room, but believe it or not we are still not in the door due to it just taking forever for all the legal stuff to be sorted out. I had no idea leasing commercial property could be so complex legally, but it has been! Our understaffing has nothing to do with us not being prepared to pay more salaries, it is all the other issues as explained above.

Comparing us with IIE is not really comparing like with like. E-I has always been the above board, legally compliant, tax paying website. IIE has always been "Screw the law, catch us if you can!". They send people to check on escorts which we don't as we can't do this legally. They also have no tax to pay, no lawyers to pay, no accounting to do etc. Also they are of course a lot smaller than us. We have many more advertisers and our website does much more. Then, in terms of how well our websites are marketed and advertised and how much traffic we get, E-I is of course miles ahead. Ladies advertising here get massively more exoposure to clients which is what they pay for. E-I is actually one of the most popular sites in Ireland. The sheer amount of traffic we get now requires 2 full time staff on servers management alone.

I'm not going to argue your points that we need to get on top of these message boards ASAP because you are dead right. However the changes we are working on behind the scenes are also massively important. In fact, one of the reasons they are so important is that some of them will save certain members of our staff hours every day, therfore freeing them up to be able to spend time elsewhere, like on these message boards. We are working flat out and we are doing our very best. I'm sorry we aren't doing good enough in some areas currently, but we are really trying and I hope the fruits of all our hard work will start to become apparent soon.

Pat x

Ok Patricia, if your rejigging things then I’ll cut you some slack but its like Father Ted resting church funds in his own bank account as you’ve have been rejigging for a good long while now and have said that over numerous months but as I say until I see the very basic improvements in enforcing decent behavior here I will not be spending a red cent via adds I see here. I have a small wish list also that I wont write here as any genuine punter knows what they are, ie, fake pics, profiles which I’m sorry Patricia but even if you moved into the dome in London [not Tralee] we all know will never ever be addressed so although you were quick to point out IIEs differences to IE and got your spaak in with some aplomb I might add IIE does serve both Escorts and Clients interests better then here and we all know it, but I’ve had my say and you where gracious in your response and we did not descend into name calling which is really my core point Pat.

If I could make one quick suggestion that you could do today even at next to no time or effort and that’s set up a section here like the soap opera but send people who cross the line for a stay in there and they can only post in there, and no one else can an if a few end up there at the one time or two who had a spat then they can hurl what they like at one another till the cows come home. Call it a time out section if you will or a cooler, then they will be only able to insult each other while we can choose to look on or not at them much like we look at animals in the zoo. Often ridicule is a better remedy to public order offenders then anything else, its been around for centuries as means of getting people to tow the line.

Also if you only drew up a list of clear dos and don’t, unacceptable topics like death threats and family’s, words that are not acceptable that we could all see in black and white and no one who broke those rules could not gripe as they could be refereed to that list of guidelines and told, look, you broke xyz so you are banned, at the moment it is all hazy and no one knows what’s in or out and all end up arguing the toss as to did they cross a line or not. And I have to say you are getting to like this banning a bit to much for some one who says they are against and don’t deny it as I can nearly see a glint in your eye from here when you do.

It would then be very easy for anyone to see and know that someone crossed a line as laid out in a dedicated list of offences posted on a sticky and alert mod to it rather then them read everything.

Those are two very simple and fast things that require no extra staff, no bigger building, no fancy servers, not a penny in fact and could be done today or this week if the will was there, again if yer busy, ok, but I am skeptical and with good reason from what I’ve seen.

And just on you saying your expanding and cant keep up, how is that when everyone says UK is dead on its arse and here is following close behind, where are these mystery advertisers? That sounds a little like someone talking up package holidays to Iraq when the Iraqis themselves are leaving in droves, come on Pat pull the other one [I’ll even pay ya]

[dom]

I respect your opinion Eddie.

But I do not ban anyone at an advertiser's request.

And Samantha can't come on here at 11 o'clock at night saying somebody else must be banned or she is gone, and inform me she needs this resolved by the morning.

Also, since I said I wouldn't ban Liz by morning over this, Samantha has been in the "E-I The Soap Opera" section calling Liz names and saying Liz works for the agency behind E-I whatever that allegation is supposed to mean?

I'm sorry, but IMHO Samantha isn't being reasonable here.

Pat,

So What?
Considering what you have allowed Lizzy to get away with on this site, haven't you only encouraged this kind of behaviour?

I mean you pandered to Liz to the extent of setting up the Soap Opera section!
Is her annual advertising fee that precious to you?
I'm surprised that the kind of shit she has posted here and caused on this site is accepted for the sake of that kind of money.

I thought you were not only of higher principles, but if you could have your actions swayed by money, that it would have been more than that.

Lizzy has hi-jacked more threads with her vile, racist, ignorant and attention seeking posts and started more conflict than anyone else.
But that's ok cos she pays?!

And then you have a dig at Samantha for lashing out at her ?

A joke.

dom

[Oven Ready Eddie]

Pat,

So What?
Considering what you have allowed Lizzy to get away with on this site, haven't you only encouraged this kind of behaviour?

I mean you pandered to Liz to the extent of setting up the Soap Opera section!
Is her annual advertising fee that precious to you?
I'm surprised that the kind of shit she has posted here and caused on this site is accepted for the sake of that kind of money.

I thought you were not only of higher principles, but if you could have your actions swayed by money, that it would have been more than that.

Lizzy has hi-jacked more threads with her vile, racist, ignorant and attention seeking posts and started more conflict than anyone else.
But that's ok cos she pays?!

And then you have a dig at Samantha for lashing out at her ?

A joke.

dom

Given my latest PM from Liz and the fact that I’ve been one of the most tolerant towards her and stood up for her only yesterday then I agree with all of that Dom, every single word in fact. I’m at a complete loss as to how her mind works as she insulted me minutes after I go to bat for her and help her in another matter so how do you deal with that mindset?.

[Patricia]

If I could make one quick suggestion that you could do today even at next to no time or effort and that’s set up a section here like the soap opera but send people who cross the line for a stay in there and they can only post in there, and no one else can an if a few end up there at the one time or two who had a spat then they can hurl what they like at one another till the cows come home. Call it a time out section if you will or a cooler, then they will be only able to insult each other while we can choose to look on or not at them much like we look at animals in the zoo. Often ridicule is a better remedy to public order offenders then anything else, its been around for centuries as means of getting people to tow the line.

We already set up the Soap Opera section for totally off topic stuff, messers and trolls etc and we have confined people in there, Liz being the most prominent example as she has basically been permanently confined in there for a while now. Are you saying you want another forum like this? What would the difference between it and the Soap Opera be?

Also if you only drew up a list of clear dos and don’t, unacceptable topics like death threats and family’s, words that are not acceptable that we could all see in black and white and no one who broke those rules could not gripe as they could be refereed to that list of guidelines and told, look, you broke xyz so you are banned, at the moment it is all hazy and no one knows what’s in or out and all end up arguing the toss as to did they cross a line or not. And I have to say you are getting to like this banning a bit to much for some one who says they are against and don’t deny it as I can nearly see a glint in your eye from here when you do.

It would then be very easy for anyone to see and know that someone crossed a line as laid out in a dedicated list of offences posted on a sticky and alert mod to it rather then them read everything.

Sounds like a great idea. If people can help with this I can get it done quicker as I am flat out. I will start a new thread asking people to contribute to this. Then, in a few days, after everyone has had their say, I'll update the rules accordingly and make sure they are prominantly displayed.

[Patricia]

I mean you pandered to Liz to the extent of setting up the Soap Opera section!

This was hardly set up entirely for Liz. Come on she is not the only messer!

Is her annual advertising fee that precious to you?

The way I handle anybody on these message boards has nothing to do with whether they are an advertiser or not.

And then you have a dig at Samantha for lashing out at her ?

You're entitled to your opinion but I already explained why I didn't agree with Samantha.

A joke.

Joke on me is it? Because I'm currently working my arse off here from morning until night 7 days a weeks trying to get this site in order and you think this is me taking the piss?

[Oven Ready Eddie]

We already set up the Soap Opera section for totally off topic stuff, messers and trolls etc and we have confined people in there, Liz being the most prominent example as she has basically been permanently confined in there for a while now. Are you saying you want another forum like this? What would the difference between it and the Soap Opera be?



Sounds like a great idea. If people can help with this I can get it done quicker as I am flat out. I will start a new thread asking people to contribute to this. Then, in a few days, after everyone has had their say, I'll update the rules accordingly and make sure they are prominantly displayed.

Just to clarify, I meant a soap section that someone is banished to and no one else can post on that section but those banished to it and leave them rattle away.

And thanks for considering a E-I charter that all can contribute ideas to an suggestions as to what is clearly out of bounds. And if set up everyone knows what’s allowed and not allowed and tough titty if we then cross that line and get banned.