Boycott.

[redone7010]

[QUOTE=irishdeltaforce;1398701]Hamas are the elected representatives of the Gaza Strip. One mans terrorists are another mans freedom fighters.

So where does someone draw the line between one man`s terrorist and anothers freedom fighter?
Surely if Hamas, an internationally proscribed terrorist organisation, fall under the freedom fighter banner, then the same logic would hold true for al-Qaeda and all its off-shoots and affiliates, in the same way as you cannot be just a bit pregnant

[justfrank44]

I was waiting for this comment! Not all Republic of Irish men are catholic but catholic this county is associated with none the less!

If you were waiting for this comment, then you obviously had time to think of a better retort Just because some might think that being a Jew and an Israeli are the same thing , does not make it so. And comparing that misconception with the Irish catholic one, does not make it any more so, so, back to the drawing board so.

So where does someone draw the line between one man`s terrorist and anothers freedom fighter?
Surely if Hamas, an internationally proscribed terrorist organisation, fall under the freedom fighter banner, then the same logic would hold true for al-Qaeda and all its off-shoots and affiliates, in the same way as you cannot be just a bit pregnant

Who says a line has to be drawn? You either accept that people have a right to use violence to achieve their aims or you don't. If you do , then you agree with the one mans freedom figher, if you don't, then they are all terrorists.

[rubberlover]

That is so inhumane, disgusting. I hope those people get life as in real life and rot and die in jail.

ha ha.
maybe i shudnt laugh though. thiss story is terriable



Spanish National Police have rescued a 19-year-old woman after concluding an investigation into two Madrid prostitution rings operated by Romanian nationals. A pimp who'd been holding the woman captive tattooed a barcode on her wrist after she tried unsuccessfully to escape. According to the CNN report, the barcode is used by one of the rings as a way to denote ownership. The numbers beneath the barcode show how much money how much money the woman supposedly "owed" the ring.

The woman was discovered with multiple lesions and bruises from a beating she suffered as a result of her failed escape (her head and eyebrows had also been shaved). Police say that the ringleaders — an uncle and his nephew, both Romanian nationals who were arrested along with 20 other people — coerced underage girls into prostitution, while other members of the group collected rent money and controlled the rooms the women operated from. But in case you thought such a scenario couldn't possibly get any more horrifying, members of the ring effectively dehumanized the women they held hostage by referring to them as any number of barcode-able items such as "packages," "suitcases," or "bicycles."

http://jezebel.com/5896205/spanish-p...stitution-ring

[rubberlover]

We should also consider therefore boycotting US ,UK and French escorts as well, given that these countries supply arms to Israel.

Seriously we really should boycott good produced from Israel, its the only message they would understand. It is unbelievable that despite bombing UN centres the US and UK etc have not applied any sanctions. Imagine if Iran did something similar.................

[Dr. Ivory]

There's a reason Hamas were voted in. I can't say I agree with some of their policies but they care more for the Palestinian people than the PA, Fatah, UN, US, EU or YOU. .

So answer me this. Why fire thousands of rockets into Israel which are almost entirely ineffective in military terms ?

The only logical explanation for Hamas continuing to fire rockets into Israel is that by doing so Hamas achieve something. Its not killing Isrealis coz the rockets are crap at doing that. What do the rockets achieve. ? They prod Israel into killing hundreds of palenstinian civilians.

Conclusion: Hamas fires rockets into Israel to get Israel to kill Palestinian civillians.

Now, why would Hamas want palensitinian civillians killed by Israel ? Because it keeps them in power

[redone7010]

If you were waiting for this comment, then you obviously had time to think of a better retort Just because some might think that being a Jew and an Israeli are the same thing , does not make it so. And comparing that misconception with the Irish catholic one, does not make it any more so, so, back to the drawing board so.





Who says a line has to be drawn? You either accept that people have a right to use violence to achieve their aims or you don't. If you do , then you agree with the one mans freedom figher, if you don't, then they are all terrorists.

All terrorists so, because if everone has a right to use violence to achieve there aims, then all societies will end up being ruled by their most violent elements.

[Jiberjabber]

So answer me this. Why fire thousands of rockets into Israel, a course of action which is almost entirely ineffective in military terms against the second best armed nation on the planet?

Fixed. Wouldn't want anyone confused as to whom is 'entirely ineffective in military terms'.

The only logical explanation for Hamas continuing to fire rockets into Israel is that by doing so Hamas achieve something.

Maybe just like the ANC or IRA? And if you lived in a country that was an occupied state? Give peace a chance yeah?

Its not killing Isrealis coz the rockets are crap at doing that.

Yes they are crap at doing that. Unlike the very sophisticated and extremely expensive kill gear the Israelis have at their disposal, gear they are very proficient in making, gear that needs to be battle tested, gear that needs to have proven its worth on the fields of war before it can be sold on to a host of hungry international buyers. I trust you're not totally unaware of how advanced the Israeli military machine is? As a rhetoric ... how many Apache helicopters do the Palestinians have? How many Black Hawks? How many tanks, walls, troops and nukes? For that matter, how many airports? And to bring it up to speed ... how many hospitals do they have left? And how many Israelis have died as a result of this terribly ineffectual rocket campaign as compared to the ever rising Palestinian deaths.

That rather large and all encompassing perimeter wall that the Israeli colonists built might have something to do with the ineffective nature of the pocket rockets the colonised people of Palestine are retaliating with. The Berlin wall can now stop cringing, nobody cares any more.

What do the rockets achieve. ?

What does shouting into the void achieve? Should they just roll over and die? Perhaps they should go back to the bargaining table again and allow the Israeli occupiers to further encroach into Palestinian lands under the guise of agreements yet to be made. Perhaps it sat better with you when Arafat was in control and selling out his own people?

Conclusion: Hamas fires rockets into Israel to get Israel to kill Palestinian civillians.

Conclusion: You need to rethink that one.

Now, why would Hamas want palensitinian civillians killed by Israel ? Because it keeps them in power.

I understand your point here, as I have with most of your argument. But really, does anybody with the will to power do any different if only by degrees? I believe it was Tomas Jefferson that said "The tree of patriotism" etc etc. What exactly is you point here?

How hard were the Israelis chomping at the bit when they heard that Fatah and Hamas were going into a unity government, a decision that had the tacit approval of the international community? And that was just a week before the 3 kids were killed. So hard that they pretended that they hadn't found the kids and continued to ramshackle every Palestinian home they could and target every Hamas politician they could in every possible way they could to provoke the leadership of the Palestinian state into a situation that would work out in favour of Israel. Fuck them!!!


As far as liberty goes, I'm all for the liberators of Palestine.

[redone7010]

Fixed. Wouldn't want anyone confused as to whom is 'entirely ineffective in military terms'.



Maybe just like the ANC or IRA? And if you lived in a country that was an occupied state? Give peace a chance yeah?



Yes they are crap at doing that. Unlike the very sophisticated and extremely expensive kill gear the Israelis have at their disposal, gear they are very proficient in making, gear that needs to be battle tested, gear that needs to have proven its worth on the fields of war before it can be sold on to a host of hungry international buyers. I trust you're not totally unaware of how advanced the Israeli military machine is? As a rhetoric ... how many Apache helicopters do the Palestinians have? How many Black Hawks? How many tanks, walls, troops and nukes? For that matter, how many airports? And to bring it up to speed ... how many hospitals do they have left? And how many Israelis have died as a result of this terribly ineffectual rocket campaign as compared to the ever rising Palestinian deaths.

That rather large and all encompassing perimeter wall that the Israeli colonists built might have something to do with the ineffective nature of the pocket rockets the colonised people of Palestine are retaliating with. The Berlin wall can now stop cringing, nobody cares any more.


What does shouting into the void achieve? Should they just roll over and die? Perhaps they should go back to the bargaining table again and allow the Israeli occupiers to further encroach into Palestinian lands under the guise of agreements yet to be made. Perhaps it sat better with you when Arafat was in control and selling out his own people?



Conclusion: You need to rethink that one.



I understand your point here, as I have with most of your argument. But really, does anybody with the will to power do any different if only by degrees? I believe it was Tomas Jefferson that said "The tree of patriotism" etc etc. What exactly is you point here?

How hard were the Israelis chomping at the bit when they heard that Fatah and Hamas were going into a unity government, a decision that had the tacit approval of the international community? And that was just a week before the 3 kids were killed. So hard that they pretended that they hadn't found the kids and continued to ramshackle every Palestinian home they could and target every Hamas politician they could in every possible way they could to provoke the leadership of the Palestinian state into a situation that would work out in favour of Israel. Fuck them!!!


As far as liberty goes, I'm all for the liberators of Palestine.

Just idle curiousity, but from your post I think it`s reasonable to assume that when you say you are all for the liberators of Palestine, you are refering to Hamas.
If so, can I take it you are also a supporter of Sharia law and Hamas stated aims of pushing Isreal into the sea?

[habebe2]

Really great article here about Israel and its neighbours http://www.nybooks.com/articles/arch...e-alternative/

[Jiberjabber]

Just idle curiousity, but from your post I think it`s reasonable to assume that when you say you are all for the liberators of Palestine, you are refering to Hamas.
If so, can I take it you are also a supporter of Sharia law and Hamas stated aims of pushing Isreal into the sea?

What he said. There's a reason Hamas were voted in. I can't say I agree with some of their policies but they care more for the Palestinian people than the PA, Fatah, UN, US, EU or YOU.

Plenty of people on this site would benefit from reading one or two Robert Fisk books.

Only reasonable if you haven't read what I've previously stated. I believe Sharia law is a monstrosity. Unfortunately the majority of the populations in many Muslim countries don't share my belief. Hamas have hinted often enough now that they are prepared to recognize the state of Israel, if Israel is willing to come to the table. But then there's that whole '1967 borders' issue/problem, an issue that Israel is handling by sticking its fingers in its ears and shouting 'I can't hear you'.

And no, I don't support Hamas' stated aims of pushing Israel into the sea.