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Thank you, I'm made of tough stuff.
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Great to hear from you and I look forward to hearing you in Galway!
As I keep saying the only thing necessary for evil to prevail is for good people to do nothing!
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There are 3 types of female genital mutilation recognized by the World Health Organization.
From: http://www.avoiceformen.com/men/mens...al-mutilation/
Type III Female Circumcision can be compared to a penectomy, I think. In 2013, UNICEF estimated 125 million women had undergone genital mutilation in their lifetime. This compares with 665 million men over the age of 15 who had undergone genital mutilation in their lifetime. USAID estimates that 8 million of the women who underwent Female Genital Mutilation experienced Type III, which is most common in Djibouti, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Somalia and Sudan.Leading US website Not Just Skin note that: ‘Female circumcision is typically viewed as more horrific than male circumcision because it is usually done under unhygienic conditions rather than in a hospital, and because one form of female circumcision, infibulation, is particularly severe. However, both male and female circumcisions are classed as genital mutilation by the International Coalition for Genital Integrity.
‘Both forms of circumcision remove functional, normal tissue, cause extreme pain, permanently disfigure the genitals, and permanently damage the sexual response. And in most cultures where female circumcision is performed, male circumcision is also performed with equally unhygienic instruments. Regardless of the child’s gender, when done to infants or children, unnecessary genital surgeries violate human rights because they are amputations performed without medical need and without the individual’s consent.
‘The World Health Organization recognizes three types of female circumcision. Type I removes the clitoral hood and/or the clitoral tip. Type II removes the clitoral hood, clitoris, and part or all of the labia. Type III, also known as infibulation or pharaonic circumcision, involves removal of all external female genitalia and suturing of the vaginal opening. Male circumcision can be compared to type I or II female circumcision. Although the glans is not harmed at the time of circumcision, the loss of protective structures causes it to dry out and lose sensitivity over time. It is also important to note that most of the nerves and pleasure receptors present in the clitoris are, in the male, present in the foreskin and its associated structure, the frenulum. Removal of these nerves constitutes a loss that can be most adequately compared to a partial clitoridectomy.’
According to Sudanese surgeon and women's health rights campaigner, Nahid Toubia, to campaign to end female genital mutilation must stretch beyond the cutting and into the minds of the women involved. She explains,From http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/1916917.stmBy allowing your genitals to be removed [it is perceived that] you are heightened to another level of pure motherhood - a motherhood not tainted by sexuality and that is why the woman gives it away to become the matron, respected by everyone."
"By taking on this practise, which is a woman's domain, it actually empowers them. It is much more difficult to convince the women to give it up, than to convince the men."
Perhaps the Feminists will rationalize this as the women and girls, both the perpetrators of FGM and the victims of FGM, suffering collectively from Stockholm Syndrome or perhaps Learned Helplessness induced by the overarching patriarchy.
Male Circumcision is Male Genital Mutilation. Female Circumcision is Female Genital Mutilation. The World Health Organization (WHO) describes Female Genital Mutilation as "all procedures that involve partial or total removal of the external female genitalia or other injury to the female genital organs for non-medical reasons". Male Genital Mutilation should be defined similarly by the World Health Organization. In December 2012, the UN Genital Assembly passed a resolution condemning Female Genital Mutilation and seeking its elimination - and rightly so. They should do the same for Male Genital Mutilation. The WHO estimated in 2007 that 664,500,000 males aged 15 and over were circumcised (30% global prevalence).
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There was a piece on the Beeb showing an old Kenyan woman who had made a relative fortune from her tribe, as the chief bottle washer (more correctly, the main committer of this crime against humanity in that area), she had to be educated by Western aid workers and no doubt paid to stop it and help stop others from doing it!
Also remember that these are done without anaesthetic in incredible unhygenic conditions and women die as a consequence and some are very often left with incontinence issues after it!
In the same news piece they showed many young Kenyan women fleeing to avoid the insanity of being castrated!
Also in other docs I have seen on the issue while women invariably perform the crime against humanity on women, it's psychotic male relations who are forcing young women to undergo it!
While it happens in all sorts of tribes including so called Christian ones, in the Soamali instance, I spoke about, a gobshite was claiming verses in the Koran required it for women and when asked by a women trying to eradicate it, to point out where, all he could do was laugh and snigger like the true psychotic gobshite, he is!
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UN General Assembly, not UN Genital Assembly. :-)
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Yeah, well, there is a big overlap between feminism and the BBC.
http://www.angryharry.com/esSomeBBCP...ricks.htm?note
For feminists, the "psychotic male relations" of their campaign against female genital mutilation are the psychotic male pimps of their campaign against prostitution. To be clear, ending female genital mutilation is an admirable goal that should be extended to similarly defined male genital mutilation. Adult sex work should be regulated not eliminated like the feminists seek to do in their war against men.
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With the majority of Sex Workers being female, do you not think this is also a war against women? You seem almost blinkered to the fact that it is the women that will be put into a more dangerous situation and it is women that will have their livelihoods put on the line, so this is not a war of gender, but a war for justice to those that wish to be allowed to participate in adult recreation for a fee, regardless of gender.
It is not just feminists that are campaigning either, so best to not put people in boxes.
Last edited by CurvaceousKate; 13-07-14 at 23:34.
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The central proposal of the central organizations of the TORL campaign, Ruhama, the National Women's Council of Ireland and the Immigrant Council of Ireland, all feminist organizations, is to criminalize the purchase of sex. They perceive the purchasers of sex to be overwhelmingly men. They want to criminalize them. They don't care about the welfare of the sex workers. Any damage to their welfare is seen as acceptable collateral damage in their war against men.
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And if you know the way they operate, you will also be aware that their end aim is to eradicate prostitution, but they can't do it directly, because that would not be politically correct. I would put it to you that in fact it is the male in this scenario that is collateral damage.
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Yes, as I said on the other thread, they fight dirty! But they don't just see sex workers as 'collateral damage', they most certainly want them to suffer, from the frothing at the mouth man hating section because they are giving it away so cheaply and to men instead of them and from the religious loons side because, they are engaging in 'sin'!
Indeed, I feel such a law is definitely far more about making sex workers suffer as the consequences are far greater for them ultimately than punters who can easily travel to saner climes for a punt!
No punter will die as the consequence of a Swedish model type law, it is very foreseeable that a sex worker could!
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