Gardai smash sex ring in Letterkenny

[Davidontour]

The fact that there were two others, in court as organisers or pimps, makes it somewhat more serious as regards the law.

That's a fair point dob.

[dob]

"The committee also ruled in favour of decriminalisation for women and men affected by prostitution,
better support services for those exiting, and increased powers for An Garda Síochána to combat organised crime."


Support services for those exiting prostitution ..... what about providing support services to those still engaging in prostitution ?

What about improved health services ? How about psychological counselling for sex workers who require it.

How about offering treatment for PTSD for those who need it -- while they're still in the business ?

Gosh , maybe even organised childcare facilities for when Mom is working ?

Ease the burden on those who are in this trade out of financial necessity ?

Don't cut the limb from under them ! Help them while they're still working , make them feel human and respected ,

they might like it and decide (or not) in time to leave the life.

But to offer 'better support services' only for those exiting the field !? How prejudiced , and discriminatory !



"The Technical Engineering and Electrical Union is a member of the Turn Off the Red Light Campaign"


The Technical Engineering and Electrical Union --- as an authority on prostitution , and authority on what may be

best for those involved in prostitution ?? Am I missing something here ??!

As you read in the committee report, trade union leaders and other NGOs and assorted busybodies opinions on prostitution were held in much higher regard than yours and the other sex workers that provided verbal and written submissions to the justice committee.
Obviously they know much more about the reality of prostitution than you do.

[Curvaceous Kate]

How many have to be not working by choice before it merits action?

The type of situation described in Letterkenny is bound to attract the attention of locals and authorities. Four, maybe five women working in adjacent apartments, low prices, high volume of clients. It looks bad, and is exactly the sort of set up that might be in place had some of those ladies been coerced and trafficked into sex work. Clients need to be more discriminating in their choice of escorts if they ever want to see this industry viewed with any tolerance.

I agree with Irish Leigha that it sounds like a sad situation, but I don't know how to quote her here or how to thank her post.

Where I do agree with you that clients need to be more careful with who they are seeing and the location, I don't agree with the notion of 'how many have to be not working by choice before it merits action'. There are already laws in place and laws by this article that are being heavily abused in the court to bring down the prostitute and take her earned money off her.

Yes penalise the facilitator, as it is currently against the law to do that, but it is not illegal to work as a prostitute, so what right do they have to take their money and force them to leave the country? Agreed they can not go back to working in the brothel, but there is nothing stopping them working independently. If this is their first time found working for a brothel, then it's a first offense, so does it really warrant deportation?

[dob]

Watched the box set of the Danish political drama 'Borgen'
Episode 25 'thou shall not commit adultery' certainly hit the spot. This is a synopsis....

http://www.kcet.org/shows/borgen/rec...-adultery.html

[Stephanie]

WOW!!!!:

''All sides had an opportunity to give their view, including representatives of the 70 organisations which make up the Turn Off the Red Light Campaign, academics, trade unions, health and legal experts and crucially survivors of prostitution.''

Excuse me for breathing, but how does this list represent ''all sides''????? No mention here of current sex workers, but hey why should they be consulted? It's only their livelihoods, wellbeing and safety at stake here. What interest could they possibly have?

Other than that it's the usual hysteria about human trafficking and organised crime -- no mention of the majority of sex workers who are independent and working entirely by choice.

They had two of us testifying in front of the Committee Meeting for near / over two hours.

Just the two of us testifying for the many hundreds of active sex workers in Ireland !

A disgrace !

And against my urging to widen their enquiry and to listen to more current / active workers , they simply dismissed even the

opinions of these two successful and prolific current workers (Rachel and myself) testifying at length for the majority of providers ,

in favor of falsified testimony from embittered ex providers , or 'pretend' ex providers , or in favor of blatant lies.

David and Goliath ?

Rach and I were simply window dressing , the token two , just so they could say they had examined all sides.

Baloney , I say !





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[Versace Targeryan]

Where I do agree with you that clients need to be more careful with who they are seeing and the location, I don't agree with the notion of 'how many have to be not working by choice before it merits action'. There are already laws in place and laws by this article that are being heavily abused in the court to bring down the prostitute and take her earned money off her.

Yes penalise the facilitator, as it is currently against the law to do that, but it is not illegal to work as a prostitute, so what right do they have to take their money and force them to leave the country? Agreed they can not go back to working in the brothel, but there is nothing stopping them working independently. If this is their first time found working for a brothel, then it's a first offense, so does it really warrant deportation?

No, it doesn’t warrant deportation, but my point was the method of working was seedy. High volume of clients, low prices. Neighbours are bound to be sick of that set up. We’ve all seen it. And it is exactly the sort of environment where pimps and traffickers would thrive. That was my point. I felt the thread needed some balance.
Another thread today
https://www.escort-ireland.com/board...-few-questions!
Where clients are pshawing at a young client who wants to be discerning and make a good choice. “You’re over thinking it” type comments from people who have posted here for years. I thought the forum would be more balanced, but it seems to lead to a very cavalier “nothing to see here” attitude from many.
Apologies if I seem too serious. I did join for a bit of banter and flirting mainly. I still don't know how to thank posts although I agree with a few points made here.

[dob]

No, it doesn’t warrant deportation, but my point was the method of working was seedy. High volume of clients, low prices. Neighbours are bound to be sick of that set up. We’ve all seen it. And it is exactly the sort of environment where pimps and traffickers would thrive. That was my point. I felt the thread needed some balance.
Another thread today
https://www.escort-ireland.com/board...-few-questions!
Where clients are pshawing at a young client who wants to be discerning and make a good choice. “You’re over thinking it” type comments from people who have posted here for years. I thought the forum would be more balanced, but it seems to lead to a very cavalier “nothing to see here” attitude from many.
Apologies if I seem too serious. I did join for a bit of banter and flirting mainly. I still don't know how to thank posts although I agree with a few points made here.

You have to have ten posts before you can 'thank' posts.

[Curvaceous Kate]

No, it doesn’t warrant deportation, but my point was the method of working was seedy. High volume of clients, low prices. Neighbours are bound to be sick of that set up. We’ve all seen it. And it is exactly the sort of environment where pimps and traffickers would thrive. That was my point. I felt the thread needed some balance.
Another thread today
https://www.escort-ireland.com/board...-few-questions!
Where clients are pshawing at a young client who wants to be discerning and make a good choice. “You’re over thinking it” type comments from people who have posted here for years. I thought the forum would be more balanced, but it seems to lead to a very cavalier “nothing to see here” attitude from many.
Apologies if I seem too serious. I did join for a bit of banter and flirting mainly. I still don't know how to thank posts although I agree with a few points made here.

Bottom left under the comment you will see a 'thumbs up' with the word 'thanks' next to it. Click on that and it will thank the post.

In a way it is a good thing that the brothel owners are greedy and not concerned with the neighbours, as they do get found out and noticed. For me, that isn't a bad thing, as these people are not operating in a caring way, by exposing the ladies so openly. It's likely not the best working environment for the girls.

My problem is with the way the girls were treated. It's wrong, full stop!

welcome to the site by the way and there are more light hearted threads you can join in too, but no harm in sharing your thoughts on the deeper things too.

[nautural bbw]

the treatment,the ladies got from the people,who should be protecting them is barbaric.and it is very sad,that their country is in the european union,and still they should be booted out of the country,for non criminal acts,SHAME

[dob]

They had two of us testifying in front of the Committee Meeting for near / over two hours.

Just the two of us testifying for the many hundreds of active sex workers in Ireland !

A disgrace !

And against my urging to widen their enquiry and to listen to more current / active workers , they simply dismissed even the

opinions of these two successful and prolific current workers (Rachel and myself) testifying at length for the majority of providers ,

in favor of falsified testimony from embittered ex providers , or 'pretend' ex providers , or in favor of blatant lies.

David and Goliath ?

Rach and I were simply window dressing , the token two , just so they could say they had examined all sides.

Baloney , I say !





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I think you might appreciate the episode of borgen I mentioned earlier.