Fucking Ckassic Birtie

[rob_tig]

I was listening to a statement from Bertie Ahern this morning he said something like this " Jayus I didn't know the banking crises was comming all signs showed we were ok.... ( the best bit now ) .... If I was still in power I could have done something about it ...!!! "

.... Ah Birtie God love your wit ya clown ....

Thought we had seen and heard the last of him, ah feck he's still here.

[name is buck]

Thought we had seen and heard the last of him, ah feck he's still here.

whate till i have my co d ta they will all be running as i will have them all up on treasion along with the bankers and them stupit goverment advisers.

long live Iceland the only free place in the world.

[doodlebug]

Hate to disagree with you all, but Bertie wasn't the cause of the recession, nor indeed were the banks, the world economy went into recession and we are not a big enough economy to do anything about it. We were conned into believing that our banks were the cause and we as taxpayers had to bail them out. It's time we stopped blaming local issues for what was/is a global issue. Sure we have/had corruption, but not on anything like the scale of many other countries. I am not saying Bertie is a saint or any politician for that matter, but the longer we make scapegoats of Irish politicians and Irish banks the longer we fail to see the real problem, which is global. It suits the world economies for the Irish people to blame our own government because then we continue to pay the bail out and don't do anything concrete to prevent it. Rant over as you were

[ole dirty bastard]

bertie

classic

[sean333]

Hi Rachel. Hope you've been keeping well. Do you mind me asking what you study at school?

I find Irish history fascinating.

The book is a bit boring (politics), too much data, from one thing jump to another, still makes it a good reading somehow.. Also, have to read it for school ..

[dob]

Hate to disagree with you all, but Bertie wasn't the cause of the recession, nor indeed were the banks, the world economy went into recession and we are not a big enough economy to do anything about it. We were conned into believing that our banks were the cause and we as taxpayers had to bail them out. It's time we stopped blaming local issues for what was/is a global issue. Sure we have/had corruption, but not on anything like the scale of many other countries. I am not saying Bertie is a saint or any politician for that matter, but the longer we make scapegoats of Irish politicians and Irish banks the longer we fail to see the real problem, which is global. It suits the world economies for the Irish people to blame our own government because then we continue to pay the bail out and don't do anything concrete to prevent it. Rant over as you were

There is much in what you say. The Irish crisis was so bad because it was caused by a confluence of events as well as poor decision making by several groups, namely the banks, the politicians/higher public servants, employers, trade unions and a very large section of the general Irish population.

Bertie didn't destroy the country, he gave the people what they wanted when he was in power, not what they needed.
The banks were seriously out of line in their lending, combined with inappropriately low interest rates raised property prices to a rediculous level. This had an impact on wages agreements thus making the country uncompetitive. The credit crunch caused by American banks was the pin that burst the balloon. The Irish government which had grown complacent and lazy with the tax take from the property market was simply unable to take corrective action early enough.

However if Bertie decided in 2005 to reign in public spending and raise taxes and ease down the property sector he would have been voted out of office and the alternative government would have done the exact same thing that Fianna Fáil did.

[name is buck]

Hate to disagree with you all, but Bertie wasn't the cause of the recession, nor indeed were the banks, the world economy went into recession and we are not a big enough economy to do anything about it. We were conned into believing that our banks were the cause and we as taxpayers had to bail them out. It's time we stopped blaming local issues for what was/is a global issue. Sure we have/had corruption, but not on anything like the scale of many other countries. I am not saying Bertie is a saint or any politician for that matter, but the longer we make scapegoats of Irish politicians and Irish banks the longer we fail to see the real problem, which is global. It suits the world economies for the Irish people to blame our own government because then we continue to pay the bail out and don't do anything concrete to prevent it. Rant over as you were

time to take the wool out of your eyes man.

if every thing you say is truoght why is it Ireland are paying over 50% of all europen bank death?

why did we not follow Iceland's lead and burn the banks and they have 200 cases against the banks and 1/2 their old politions in jail and an outstanding interpol arrest warrent for their old primester?

you keep beliving the RTE news and keep living in your cotton ball of wool.

when you are ready to open your eyes sine up to some of the FB pages like (call for a relovation ) or (dublin says no) and if you gont belive me the goverment of this place are trying to do their best to get FB to take down them said pages.

plz open your eyes.

[name is buck]

There is much in what you say. The Irish crisis was so bad because it was caused by a confluence of events as well as poor decision making by several groups, namely the banks, the politicians/higher public servants, employers, trade unions and a very large section of the general Irish population.

Bertie didn't destroy the country, he gave the people what they wanted when he was in power, not what they needed.
The banks were seriously out of line in their lending, combined with inappropriately low interest rates raised property prices to a rediculous level. This had an impact on wages agreements thus making the country uncompetitive. The credit crunch caused by American banks was the pin that burst the balloon. The Irish government which had grown complacent and lazy with the tax take from the property market was simply unable to take corrective action early enough.

However if Bertie decided in 2005 to reign in public spending and raise taxes and ease down the property sector he would have been voted out of office and the alternative government would have done the exact same thing that Fianna Fáil did.

you make some good points dob but do you belive birte did not line hes own pockets?

do you belive hes buddys did not make a packet out of us when he was in goverment?

we were taken to the cleaners by the goverment that was FF and then riden stuped by the now goverment FG and labour.

you say most of the Irish people helped the crash why? because the banks were trowing money at us with lones and morages maybe you got a point there and if so why do we have no charges of reckless lending against any of the banks?

i belive the juges are corpupt as well and they are all in each others pockets the only hope for this place as it stands now is the 3 guys fron anglo bank get real time in the lock up and start squeeling and start ratting others out and if this unlikly thing happens we will see they are all involved

[Clyde]

The whole calamity of greed and foolishness that property would crash to such an extent was the real cause, I do remember a German politician having a go at the irish economy and Charlie McCreevy telling him he was jealous sums up our own belief that we were never going to crash. Now I like Charlie and I think he believed it too we were all living a dream. Bertie I don't think was truly driven by money cos he had it anyway he's vice was power and popularity even Charlie Haughey described him as the most cunning man he ever met, needless to say he was Charlie's number two.

[bettercallsaul]

Thought we had seen and heard the last of him, ah feck he's still here.

Yeah, Clyde is still here.