nhs bans smokers

[saoirsemac]

the nhs is banning smokers unless they promise to quit and do a course, for minor treatments,

bascailly a guy who smoked ten a day had begin growth on his face, which was refused removal because he smoked


this man has payed into nhs and pays tax on tobocco

they also banned overweight people form hip knee etc surgeries until they loose weight, to me thats fair as its a health complication directly to the surgery, but how does someone loose the weight when there unable to move around while needing a joint replacement?
but if your too heavy to surive surgery completely different matter

cutting a growth off doesnt really matter if you smoke or not




do you think this is right?
or is this a creation of a nanny state?

i mean if i was paying into a system, and paying tax i wud expect treatment, or simple expect not to pay for system that didnt treat me

plus both in ireland and the uk, if we all stopped smoking, our health serivce budget wud be down alot,

the tax we pay does cover the cost of smokers to both health serivces



http://www.dailymail...omise-quit.html


if the hse refused to treat smokers what you say? of course we pay for most things here so its much different, but what we do get, like if we admitted to hoisptal as a public patient, what if a smoker is denied that, a tax paying one paying prsi, which gets the majority of us fuck all as we pay for nearly everything here anyway

[Lilian]

I think its a good thing to motivate smokers to stop BUT in my opinion the approach is shit!

You can lead a horse to the river but you can't force it to drink ....

Smoke related "issues" are harder to pinpoint then weight related problems and so not really a good approach in my eyes!

[Curvaceous Kate]

It's a slippery slope. Next thing you know they will ban escorts from STI treatment because they engaged in a career that involved promiscuity. Same will go for clients too, because of their "lifestyle choice"

I hope they don't ban politicians from having lobotomies just because politicians used their brains in unhumanitarian ways

That is a bad analogy.

An Escort or anyone who engages in bareback sex with people they do not know, then well, yeah maybe they should pay for their own tests, as they are deliberately and with knowledge not taking precaution. However, anyone who does take precaution and is taking the tests as an extra precaution and not because they think they have one, should be encouraged, especially in light of the fact that an STD can be spread and is not self contained.

[Curvaceous Kate]

I think its a good thing to motivate smokers to stop BUT in my opinion the approach is shit!

You can lead a horse to the river but you can't force it to drink ....

Smoke related "issues" are harder to pinpoint then weight related problems and so not really a good approach in my eyes!

It certainly didn't stop my Dad when he was faced with 'stop smoking or you don't get the op'. He simply lied to the doctor and was smoking with the docs at the hospital before going in for the op.

Maybe they should ban all Doctors and Nurses from smoking to set a good example

[saoirsemac]

It's a slippery slope. Next thing you know they will ban escorts from STI treatment because they engaged in a career that involved promiscuity. Same will go for clients too, because of their "lifestyle choice"

I hope they don't ban politicians from having lobotomies just because politicians used their brains in unhumanitarian ways

thank you for seeing my point, its not about smoking per say but where does the line stop?

slippery slope very slippery


when you go into healthcare you are told you have a duty of care to everyone, no matter creed race or reason, your are there to help people, these people need help what they do does not matter,

ive taken care of nuns, form laundries, there cunts who did evil crimes, but u put it aside

outright ban on someone like this is just the start

[saoirsemac]

It certainly didn't stop my Dad when he was faced with 'stop smoking or you don't get the op'. He simply lied to the doctor and was smoking with the docs at the hospital before going in for the op.

Maybe they should ban all Doctors and Nurses from smoking to set a good example

maybe ban everyone form smiling on tuesdays....
maybe ban escorts sexual health, i mean they just go out and have sex again,

shud escorts only be given sexual health screening once they promise to stop

its the same thing kate, to most escorting is very damaging to mental health and health
so they have as good as reason to do this as with smoking,


they just do things one by one, as to not piss off everyone just a few here and there, and there be enough folk like you kate with the tearful story about a loved one and smoking to have them shouting loudest what a wonderful idea,

not even thinking, the next on the group cud be you, when the run out smokers drinkers junkies obease and old

whats next?

[saoirsemac]

That is a bad analogy.

An Escort or anyone who engages in bareback sex with people they do not know, then well, yeah maybe they should pay for their own tests, as they are deliberately and with knowledge not taking precaution. However, anyone who does take precaution and is taking the tests as an extra precaution and not because they think they have one, should be encouraged, especially in light of the fact that an STD can be spread and is not self contained.

condoms break kate

accidents happen, rape happens, some say we doing this and we are rape we brought it on ourself

and a girl doing bareback is most likely the most vulenerable in the industry and the one depresate, so u think making her pay fr her only back up is the way foward sorry no

and again this idea ban this and ban that is just nanny stating, you dont care and think its great till the nanny state comes down on you


again to explain kate this about a blanket ban on smokers, not someone with lung cancer but banning them again ridiclous, u make care plans
everyone who needs medical care shud recieve it

[Curvaceous Kate]

I'm a bit confused, as Ireland does not have an NHS service do they? Under those terms they would have to have insurance or pay for the medication themselves anyway. Now most insurance policies have stipulations to cover themselves, such as if you already know you have a life threatening illness this policy is null in void. I'm sure their premiums are higher for people that smoke, is this question not in the paperwork when you sign up?

No one seems to mind that?

Your life style impacts directly on your well being. You should not be able to say, I have paid into the system so therefore I am going to to fuck with my own life and the nhs will pay for it. You need to take due care and attention and now it is common knowledge that smoking is dangerous and bad for your health, then you are taking a higher risk.

Maybe they should pay higher premiums to compensate for the health care they are going to need?

Whatever the answer is, people should be accountable for their own actions and I don't think it is right to say they can do what they like, because you can't with many things, otherwise there wouldn't be prisons, a judge and a jury.

Maybe if anything we get away with too much and that is why we think the world owes us a living and a life, so it seems.

[warmcome]

the hospital in Galway has a ring of blue paint around it's perimeter and you can
burn tobacco beyond that and no nearer. i think the heath authorities have to start
emphasizing disapproval about tobacco, but the NHS may be over stringent.

[saoirsemac]

I'm a bit confused, as Ireland does not have an NHS service do they? Under those terms they would have to have insurance or pay for the medication themselves anyway. Now most insurance policies have stipulations to cover themselves, such as if you already know you have a life threatening illness this policy is null in void. I'm sure their premiums are higher for people that smoke, is this question not in the paperwork when you sign up?

No one seems to mind that?

Your life style impacts directly on your well being. You should not be able to say, I have paid into the system so therefore I am going to to fuck with my own life and the nhs will pay for it. You need to take due care and attention and now it is common knowledge that smoking is dangerous and bad for your health, then you are taking a higher risk.

Maybe they should pay higher premiums to compensate for the health care they are going to need?

Whatever the answer is, people should be accountable for their own actions and I don't think it is right to say they can do what they like, because you can't with many things, otherwise there wouldn't be prisons, a judge and a jury.

Maybe if anything we get away with too much and that is why we think the world owes us a living and a life, so it seems.

firstly why shud smokers pay even more? in ireland and the uk there is high tax on cigs, in europe 20 costing 3,50 ireland 9.50 with the uk i think ye are 5 cents dearer than us when u do the change over

the taxes recovered form those who wish to smoke, cover the cost of smokers to healthcare, that anyone who smokes, not actual ever patients with direct smoking conditions, just everyone who ticks the box, the amount of tax form smokers not only covers them, but they have surplus which is given to other areas

everyone stops smoking, and even drinking, both our healthserivce loose a massive budget, and the savings on the health side wud not be huge comparing to tax revuene lost, we pay a tax we shud not pay extra again, esp those who pay national insurence or prsi in ireland


no one owes anyone a living, but this is health, everyone shud have care, esp those who are paying into to the system,

private health care is different, life insurence is different, but the nhs and to some degree the hse public health sector, is for everyone, we are made pay for it, when we buy drink and cigs, we pay tax that goes into our hse and nhs

if you put your life at risk you shud pay extra? how is that right? again many believe we do, what about the extreme sports shud we leave them to die? people in crashes who where speading should they die?