drugs something i find intreasting

[saoirsemac]

was reading about the peru two, and reading the comments about give them life all the hurt and pain they cause by bringing drugs

to me those statements are on par with someone going u smoke weed, i dont agree as my mate died of herion, ban all drugs


now there illegal, true but similar drugs are perfectly legal, ie tobacco alchol and lets not forget irelands biggest drug addicts tend to favour our legal alteratives such as valiums etc

the thing about drug abusers is, they will always find a new a drug to abuse its the personailty of a person not the drug as such

comments that this girls will bring hurt and misery is kinda funny, firstly one look at them, hardly the masterminds here,

secondly, ive met a few dealers in my time, never once have i been made buy, ive been offered but the final choice of what i put into my body was my choice...... so how does the dealer hurt and cause misery when you choose it? and its not like the give u a list, you ask for the drug u want.... so if ur buying herion ur asking for it
kinda like saying my next client is a rapist because he paying to have sex with me

also to a drug addict again if there no herion, they will find an alterative thats the nature of the beast....

there a bar 200m away for me, im not inclinced to go over there for a drink, but there some who sit here counting the seconds till it opens, do we scream and preech the drink industry are murders etc? no we put the blame nd rightly on the addict who abuses it

if we made drugs legal wud we really have more abusers? or abusers with more varied usuages

if your going to be an addict thats down to you, not the barman or the dealer really!


just something i always found laughable esp the drugs are bad my friend died of herion. no your mate died because he was an idiot who pumped shit in his veins of his own accord, the dealer sold it he bought it

we have such a blame culture, if we cannot agree we need to find something to blame, the only thing to blame is human nature

[Johnco]

was reading about the peru two, and reading the comments about give them life all the hurt and pain they cause by bringing drugs

to me those statements are on par with someone going u smoke weed, i dont agree as my mate died of herion, ban all drugs


now there illegal, true but similar drugs are perfectly legal, ie tobacco alchol and lets not forget irelands biggest drug addicts tend to favour our legal alteratives such as valiums etc

the thing about drug abusers is, they will always find a new a drug to abuse its the personailty of a person not the drug as such

comments that this girls will bring hurt and misery is kinda funny, firstly one look at them, hardly the masterminds here,

secondly, ive met a few dealers in my time, never once have i been made buy, ive been offered but the final choice of what i put into my body was my choice...... so how does the dealer hurt and cause misery when you choose it? and its not like the give u a list, you ask for the drug u want.... so if ur buying herion ur asking for it
kinda like saying my next client is a rapist because he paying to have sex with me

also to a drug addict again if there no herion, they will find an alterative thats the nature of the beast....

there a bar 200m away for me, im not inclinced to go over there for a drink, but there some who sit here counting the seconds till it opens, do we scream and preech the drink industry are murders etc? no we put the blame nd rightly on the addict who abuses it

if we made drugs legal wud we really have more abusers? or abusers with more varied usuages

if your going to be an addict thats down to you, not the barman or the dealer really!


just something i always found laughable esp the drugs are bad my friend died of herion. no your mate died because he was an idiot who pumped shit in his veins of his own accord, the dealer sold it he bought it

we have such a blame culture, if we cannot agree we need to find something to blame, the only thing to blame is human nature

They also sell drugs to easily led and impressionable young kids who haven't yet got the capacity to think about the consequences of their actions and are ill informed and unable to make the correct decision.These kids then grow up to become the addicts you speak about and the addiction takes over meaning they will never,in most cases, be able to make the right choice.

[saoirsemac]

They also sell drugs to easily led and impressionable young kids who haven't yet got the capacity to think about the consequences of their actions and are ill informed and unable to make the correct decision.These kids then grow up to become the addicts you speak about and the addiction takes over meaning they will never,in most cases, be able to make the right choice.

then its there bloody parents for providing them with the means to go out and purchase drugs, and not providing the supervision to make sure they dont,

im sorry that like saying ban porn because kids look at it, no because parents dont mind there own kids and educate them

kids drink and smoke, why are we not banning them too? and maybe ive been lucky anyone i know who sells wudnt to kids
you do know not all drug dealers are scum and immoral bastards?

i started my first drug at 13, tobacco, i went and bought it easily myself form a legal vendor, not thats 12 years ago and she an old lady thinking i was buying smokes for my dad,
now i puked after one, and didnt smoke till i was 15 again....


if kids are buying and taking drugs, you need to look at you giving them the money and means to do it

again back to my blame culture point, blame the dealers, nope blame the parents for allowing them have the means

[Stephanie]

I am all for legalising drugs. All drugs.

Government regulated , licensed , taxed , etc.

IMO the Drug War has been lost -- a long time ago. And look at how well our Prohibition worked : drunks and laypeople drank

nonetheless , and we managed to cultivate a criminal element which we didn't have before : Capone etc.

Same with drugs. I think the power of illicit profits need to be taken out of the hands of opportunistic criminals , and the

industry be made transparent : quality controlled , govt gaining tax revenue , addicts receiving reliable product (fewer overdoses),

revenue gained thus could be put towards preventative education, rehabilitation programs , etc .

Instead of penalising the user and turning ill people into criminals and filling our jails with small time players, resources

could be used to combat organised crime and pressing health issues associated with drug use (do needle exchange programs etc.) .


BUT !

Those who break the law today, to financially benefit from committing a crime (dealers, mules, etc.) in my opinion deserve the

full weight of the law.

[the traveller]

Amendment 64. Know where I'll be going for me holidays next year!
There is a very good case for the total legalisation of all drugs. As things are now huge resources are being put into the war on drugs, and it's being lost. That money should be put into education and health.Drug addiction is a medical problem not a legal one. The guy that dies from bad junk or an O.D. dies because they are illegal and supplied by people who couldn't give a shit as long as the cash keeps rolling in. Only by changing the laws can the market be regulated, as it is now there is no way to stop kids getting shit. Every junkie needs to increase the numbers using to help with their own habit. Pensioners are being mugged for their pension, etc. There needs to be a total rethink on this whole subject and sooner the better.

[warmcome]

drugs happen. the inapproriate law surrounding them creates/compounds the risks.
time for a revolutionary approach, because what has transpired has been an abject failure. a strategy
proposed by those with no understanding or acknowledgement of the reality (ironically).

[saoirsemac]

Amendment 64. Know where I'll be going for me holidays next year!
There is a very good case for the total legalisation of all drugs. As things are now huge resources are being put into the war on drugs, and it's being lost. That money should be put into education and health.Drug addiction is a medical problem not a legal one. The guy that dies from bad junk or an O.D. dies because they are illegal and supplied by people who couldn't give a shit as long as the cash keeps rolling in. Only by changing the laws can the market be regulated, as it is now there is no way to stop kids getting shit. Every junkie needs to increase the numbers using to help with their own habit. Pensioners are being mugged for their pension, etc. There needs to be a total rethink on this whole subject and sooner the better.

thats my point, we spend far too much time with a blame culture, due to complete and utter lack of understanding,

now if we lived in a society with a complete ban on drugs to include alchol then maybe id understand a bit better, you cannot endorse one, one that is as harmful and more than others, if abused...

there 0 education on drugs bar do not do it, and all these bad things will happen, but kids hear this and its like eh no i wanna see... drugs are nearly like anal to men, forbidden fruit, u wanna try, some will beg partners some will go with out some will pay for it... kids are not told about pills can take something that cud be a safe drug to something very dangerous, double dropping taken lots, alse the whole esctasy area cud be very cleaned up on legalisation due the most dangerous componment been the cutting agents not mdna...

there no way to get rid of those who abuse substances, because its a human trait and addictive personailty, i made food my emontional crutch, when i was stressed etc i went for food, its my utter addiction and one hard to beat as u need to face it daily... one cud argue thats the sugar, but people have addictions to that, its hidden in most pre cooked meals and canned food etc

we need realistic education and controls, weed mdna coke can all be produced cleanly, yes the will still damage yes they will still cause problems, but now we can cut most of dangers, and bring them to a level of alchol

plently people drink socialable so we proof you can use a drug off and on, but there will always and forever been someone who indulges

if water was all we had on earth they be some you drink more, we are emontional creatures

[warmcome]

the fear for the straights is legal means acceptance. it needn't.

[Johnco]

then its there bloody parents for providing them with the means to go out and purchase drugs, and not providing the supervision to make sure they dont,

im sorry that like saying ban porn because kids look at it, no because parents dont mind there own kids and educate them

kids drink and smoke, why are we not banning them too? and maybe ive been lucky anyone i know who sells wudnt to kids
you do know not all drug dealers are scum and immoral bastards?

i started my first drug at 13, tobacco, i went and bought it easily myself form a legal vendor, not thats 12 years ago and she an old lady thinking i was buying smokes for my dad,
now i puked after one, and didnt smoke till i was 15 again....


if kids are buying and taking drugs, you need to look at you giving them the money and means to do it

again back to my blame culture point, blame the dealers, nope blame the parents for allowing them have the means

I would be one who would,at times,say blame the parents,but it's not always the parents fault.Parents supplying the means doesn't and should never absolve dealers from selling drugs to kids.It's just wrong whatever way you look at it.It is illegal to sell drink or smokes to underage kids and in the vast majority of cases,this law is abided by.People selling drugs in the vast majority of cases don't care about the users age.
In many cases a childs first experience of drugs is one where they haven't had to pay for it.In some cases dealers have given the drugs free of charge in order to get the kids hooked.I know a number of people who got their first taste of drugs this way,some have died,for some it's only a matter of time,others have been lucky and sorted themselves out but in every case it has ruined a large portion of their lives and taken away their childhood.

As adults we make decisions,right or wrong,but it's our decision and we can't complain about the eventual outcome.But for kids
who are immature and unable to imagine the devastating outcome of drug abuse,they need us,as adults, to make those decisions for them,because they rarely make the right one,they make what seems to be the exciting fun one.

I have no problem,as such, with legalising drugs for use by adults.We make our choices and we live and die by those choices.It's one thing selling recreational drugs to people who have waited till they reached adulthood before trying drugs,most of these don't become addicts,but it is a completely different scenario to sell to kids and get them hooked in order to create customers.These kids don't stand a chance.

[warmcome]

I would be one who would,at times,say blame the parents,but it's not always the parents fault.Parents supplying the means doesn't and should never absolve dealers from selling drugs to kids.It's just wrong whatever way you look at it.It is illegal to sell drink or smokes to underage kids and in the vast majority of cases,this law is abided by.People selling drugs in the vast majority of cases don't care about the users age.
In many cases a childs first experience of drugs is one where they haven't had to pay for it.In some cases dealers have given the drugs free of charge in order to get the kids hooked.I know a number of people who got their first taste of drugs this way,some have died,for some it's only a matter of time,others have been lucky and sorted themselves out but in every case it has ruined a large portion of their lives and taken away their childhood.

As adults we make decisions,right or wrong,but it's our decision and we can't complain about the eventual outcome.But for kids
who are immature and unable to imagine the devastating outcome of drug abuse,they need us,as adults, to make those decisions for them,because they rarely make the right one,they make what seems to be the exciting fun one.

I have no problem,as such, with legalising drugs for use by adults.We make our choices and we live and die by those choices.It's one thing selling recreational drugs to people who have waited till they reached adulthood before trying drugs,most of these don't become addicts,but it is a completely different scenario to sell to kids and get them hooked in order to create customers.These kids don't stand a chance.

real education about drugs, self esteem, sports is the chance. you're right the illegal
drugs trade cannot protect children. the headshops i visited used refuse people who had no id.