Quarterpounder

[Quarterpoundher]

Because some people simply don't want to Rory .................. RicFlair and QPH are the guilty ones here ............... they both betrayed the confidence of an indinidual here in order to further their own selfish obsession with me .................... I know personally that this really upset that individual, especially the actions of QPH who blatantly lied to her ............ honourable my arse!!

Paws

You’re forgetting two small details.

1

You brought all this on them when they were not involved in any way and have continued to do so for several weeks now and you will not stop untill you do to them what you did to S Naomi.

Both are connected.

2

I had faith with your motives right up until you threatened someone, I was your biggest supporter up until that point remember, so how could I have had an obsession with you? I had my doubts yes, but never imagined the depths and lengths you will go to, to protect your hold on opinion here. You are wriggling like the worm I now know you to be, lashing out at everyone, you have been doing that ever since I rejected your ORDER for me to run any post I have by you first for approval. Do you remember that PM??? No of course you don’t, you’ll deny ever sending that also I expect, well I have that also.

How does that sit with your public support for free speech and anti censorship??? Does not quite tally does it?

You then concocted those vile PM’s to blackmail me, it has not worked so you now again are targeting someone whom you profess you wish to protect.

Your hall of mirrors are crashing around your feet.

I have been trying very hard by PM to get E-I to live up to their stated goal of looking out for Escorts. The owner has steadfastly done absolutely NOTHING to help a paying customer.

THEIR REASONS FOR THEIR FAILURE TO ACT ARE AS SINISTER AS THEY ARE SHAMFULL.

They can no longer claim to care about Escorts wellbeing when they have failed one so utterly.

That rings completely hollow.

I can only guess as to E-Is motives for siding with a “supposed” Poster/Client and ignored a customer.

There is only one conclusion that can be arrived at, anyone with a brain will know what that is…


I only asked for two simple things to be done here…

1

E-I to do right by a paying customer.

2
Him to prove he is the man I thought he was and apologize to the injured party for the huge wrong he has visited on them, he sadly has confirmed my suspicions of him. I found great comfort on my first arriving here that at least one man in this huge realm genuinely cared for Woman in this arena, I publicly and privately thanked him sincerely, it saddens me to now know he cares nothing for them, you can all believe me or not believe me, but I KNOW he does not.

The same applies to this place, I truly thought that it cared for Woman also, I also KNOW that is not the case.

I would ask all Escorts to consider deeply what exactly are you paying for. One of you was left utterly abandoned to the predations of an unworthy false protector, which of you is next???

You are the reason all are here, you are the seed corn from which E-I reap their harvest.

Is it too much to ask that you be protected from crows while you go about bearing fruits for yourselves?

[bigpaws]

You’re forgetting two small details.

1

You brought all this on them when they were not involved in any way and have continued to do so for several weeks now and you will not stop untill you do to them what you did to S Naomi.

Both are connected.

2

I had faith with your motives right up until you threatened someone, I was your biggest supporter up until that point remember, so how could I have had an obsession with you? I had my doubts yes, but never imagined the depths and lengths you will go to, to protect your hold on opinion here. You are wriggling like the worm I now know you to be, lashing out at everyone, you have been doing that ever since I rejected your ORDER for me to run any post I have by you first for approval. Do you remember that PM??? No of course you don’t, you’ll deny ever sending that also I expect, well I have that also.

How does that sit with your public support for free speech and anti censorship??? Does not quite tally does it?

You then concocted those vile PM’s to blackmail me, it has not worked so you now again are targeting someone whom you profess you wish to protect.

Your hall of mirrors are crashing around your feet.

I have been trying very hard by PM to get E-I to live up to their stated goal of looking out for Escorts. The owner has steadfastly done absolutely NOTHING to help a paying customer.

THEIR REASONS FOR THEIR FAILURE TO ACT ARE AS SINISTER AS THEY ARE SHAMFULL.

They can no longer claim to care about Escorts wellbeing when they have failed one so utterly.

That rings completely hollow.

I can only guess as to E-Is motives for siding with a “supposed” Poster/Client and ignored a customer.

There is only one conclusion that can be arrived at, anyone with a brain will know what that is…


I only asked for two simple things to be done here…

1

E-I to do right by a paying customer.

2
Him to prove he is the man I thought he was and apologize to the injured party for the huge wrong he has visited on them, he sadly has confirmed my suspicions of him. I found great comfort on my first arriving here that at least one man in this huge realm genuinely cared for Woman in this arena, I publicly and privately thanked him sincerely, it saddens me to now know he cares nothing for them, you can all believe me or not believe me, but I KNOW he does not.

The same applies to this place, I truly thought that it cared for Woman also, I also KNOW that is not the case.

I would ask all Escorts to consider deeply what exactly are you paying for. One of you was left utterly abandoned to the predations of an unworthy false protector, which of you is next???

You are the reason all are here, you are the seed corn from which E-I reap their harvest.

Is it too much to ask that you be protected from crows while you go about bearing fruits for yourselves?

I have talked to that "paying customer" and she knows well that she has nothing to fear from me ................... you are the one who has lied to her, you are the one upsetting her now, you are the one she is angry at ................ me and her are quite friendly which I know is hard for you to accept.

What are the customers paying this site for??? To advertise their photos, services and phone number of course .................. thought that was obvious???

You are no longer welcome here QPH, at this stage you are just being tolerated .............. keep looking for your sense of humour and my credibility too!!!

Just relax QPH and have some fun here ffs!!!

Paws

[dreamon]

All are welcome here, QPH, Bigpaws, AidanD, Westside et al. We all, including the escorts share one thing in common, we are all dysfunctional individuals in our own way. There is good and bad in us all. We all have our own opinion about the balance of good and evil in the others we come across here. The reality is that most of the posts here tell more about the poster than they do about the postee. There is really not much point in slagging each other off as anyone reading these threads has long since got the measure of the personalities involved. We should concentrate our efforts on making this website and the industry better and safer for all concerned.

[skyblue41]

Paws there is a huge amount of time and space devoted to these threads at the moment. Why don't yourself and QPH swap MSN messenger details and fight to the death there. Seems like both sides are well entrenched with their armies, whether big or small, lined up behind them and this could run and run. Either that or one of ye be big enough to ignore the back biting and move on and ignore each other. Its run its course and QPH's posts are far from entertaining light reading on a site we are all here to enjoy!

Thats my tuppence worth. LOL

[carlos marvado]

I have been trying very hard by PM to get E-I to live up to their stated goal of looking out for Escorts. The owner has steadfastly done absolutely NOTHING to help a paying customer.

THEIR REASONS FOR THEIR FAILURE TO ACT ARE AS SINISTER AS THEY ARE SHAMFULL.

They can no longer claim to care about Escorts wellbeing when they have failed one so utterly.

That rings completely hollow.

I can only guess as to E-Is motives for siding with a “supposed” Poster/Client and ignored a customer.

There is only one conclusion that can be arrived at, anyone with a brain will know what that is…


I only asked for two simple things to be done here…

1

E-I to do right by a paying customer.

2
Him to prove he is the man I thought he was and apologize to the injured party for the huge wrong he has visited on them, he sadly has confirmed my suspicions of him. I found great comfort on my first arriving here that at least one man in this huge realm genuinely cared for Woman in this arena, I publicly and privately thanked him sincerely, it saddens me to now know he cares nothing for them, you can all believe me or not believe me, but I KNOW he does not.

The same applies to this place, I truly thought that it cared for Woman also, I also KNOW that is not the case.

I would ask all Escorts to consider deeply what exactly are you paying for. One of you was left utterly abandoned to the predations of an unworthy false protector, which of you is next???

You are the reason all are here, you are the seed corn from which E-I reap their harvest.

Is it too much to ask that you be protected from crows while you go about bearing fruits for yourselves?

QPH,

I have always regarded you as a well-meaning and idealistic person, albeit one who comes across as over sensitive and being ruled by the heart at times. This is not in any way meant as a criticism, it is rather my perception from reading your posts. As a non-punter, I think you look at the whole "sex services business" in a detached manner (though one with a feminist slant) and through rose tinted glasses.

I would have had a somewhat similar outlook as yourself as a newbie punter. However, having been around the block (though not nearly for as long as some here) and observed the business from a number of sides including getting the honest views of escorts that I have got to know well, I am left under no illusion that money and nacked greed for as much as possible of it, is the name of the game. Whether we are talking escorts, punters, agencies, pimps, traffickers or sites like this, we are looking at using or being used in the name of money. But this should not really be a surprise to anyone, afterall, corrupt politicians, developers, bankers, solicitors, auctioneers, and the whole parasitic public sector in general make the "sex services industry" seem positively virginal in comparison.

The purveyors of sexual services, be they the escorts at the coal face or those further up the supply chain are tapping into some mens' insatiable addiction to sex. It's no different to the drug addict and his/her supplier. And similar to the illegal drug business, because of the sums of money involved and greed to take as large a slice of the cake as possible, you come across intimidation and threats and on occasions actual violence, usually against individual escorts. In essence, it's a dog eat dog environment with a business-like facade or veneer to hide the worst excesses.

So sorry QPH, if you're looking for people to care for others, to look out for others, or heaven forbid, to give others respect in this business, then I'm afraid your crusade is doomed to failure. I've come across cases, some first hand and some recounted to me by reliable sources, of escorts cheating each other, trying to ruin each others business, escorts trying to milk clients for as much as they could, escorts being intimidated and threatened with violence if they tried to work in certain towns and attempted burglaries from escorts, which have caused them to have to employ their own security. These are in addition to cases that have been made public on this site.

Now QPH, to the questions that you need to ask yourself and also answer for yourself.

1. Does a man who uses a woman to satisfy his sexual needs, thus demonstrate his respect for her or that he cares about her?
2. What motivates a woman to have sex with all-comers and to take risks in the process (possibly to her health and even her life) for financial gain?
3. Do escorts really respect a client?
4. How does one square working as an escort and having self-respect of caring about oneself.
5. Do people who force women into this business against their will, entice them in via enducements, force them to use their appartments or work for their agency, or knowingly make a good living from their work by selling them advertising space, security services or letting appartments to them at rack-rent rates, really care about escorts or respect them.

People care about one thing and one thing only - revenue channels, developing them, expanding them and protecting them. And in this area, there are no rules in how you deal with your competitors. It's a big chess game; the escorts are the pawns, the punters are fed the illusion that the customer is King, the knights and rooks are the little wheeler-dealers, moving around the others and skimming the profits here and there. And then you have the chess-masters directing the movements of the chess pieces. But the beauty of it QPH, is that the game never ends, there is no check-mate, the masters know that they can only win.

The best client, who has maybe spent thousands with an escort over a period of time, won't get his foot through the door if he happens to go bankrupt. The best escort, who may have advertised here or elsewhere for years, won't get her advert placed if she happens to fall on hard times and lacks the funds, and if she works for a pimp, she'll probably get a beating as well for not bringing in enough money for him. The agencies though will help her out in this situation. If she sells her body under their direction (i.e. as many clients a day as possible), they'll give her an appartment to work from and a pleasant sounding receptionist to take her calls in exchange for 50% of her earnings plus 40 Euro per day for the use of the appartment.

QPH, I'm sorry if I come across as a wee bit cynical and if I have abused you of some preconceived opinions that you may have held. This site should never be confused with the Sisters of Mercy or the St. Vincent de Paul. If you want to deal with an organisation that helps escorts, I suggest you volunteer with Ruhamma. Whatever remote chance they stand of making a difference out there in the real world, crusades from anybody here in cyberpace will be about as successful as King Canute trying to command the waves.

My advice QPH, for what it's worth, is to sit back and relax and concentrate on the poetry or the comedy routine. Posting serious shit and honest serious shit at that, as I have just done, wont make you many friends. Nobody wants the truth because it might just hit too close to home.

Good luck Brother QPH.

[liz]

Ohhhh Liz,Liz,Liz..I do hope that you misspelled Cork , ..

you can take the man out of cork, but you cant take the cork out of the mans ARSE ciao Liz xxx

[liz]

Is it too much to ask that you be protected from crows while you go about bearing fruits for yourselves?

dont give up your day job qph.

heres a luverly photo of yourself

ciao
liz
xxx

[bigpaws]

dont give up your day job qph.

heres a luverly photo of yourself

ciao
liz
xxx

Now that made me laugh!!!!

Paws

[Quarterpoundher]

QPH,

1. Does a man who uses a woman to satisfy his sexual needs, thus demonstrate his respect for her or that he cares about her?
2. What motivates a woman to have sex with all-comers and to take risks in the process (possibly to her health and even her life) for financial gain?
3. Do escorts really respect a client?
4. How does one square working as an escort and having self-respect of caring about oneself.
5. Do people who force women into this business against their will, entice them in via enducements, force them to use their appartments or work for their agency, or knowingly make a good living from their work by selling them advertising space, security services or letting appartments to them at rack-rent rates, really care about escorts or respect them.

People care about one thing and one thing only - revenue channels

You speak a lot of sense there and I thank you for it. Whatever your issue with me, you are still an obviously intelligent Man and I still like you.

Firstly, I am not asking or expecting people to care. I long since known they don’t. I am simply highlighting the failure of two parties to uphold their own publicly stated mandates.

To your 5 questions.

1. Does a man who uses a woman to satisfy his sexual needs, thus demonstrate his respect for her or that he cares about her?

Taking your question exactly as it is worded……No of course not, the act itself does neither, but you and others have previously commented on becoming friends and doing them turns in one way or another, you yourself were in Romania and made it something more then just sex in that it you listed your expenses as including presents, so although I do not think respect or caring happens all that often it by no means precludes the possibility.

Rarity does not equate to impossibility.

2. What motivates a woman to have sex with all-comers and to take risks in the process (possibly to her health and even her life) for financial gain?

Well now that’s the million dollar question, and there are as many reasons and circumstances as there are Woman themselves. The easiest one to answer is if the Woman is trafficked or otherwise not in control, she has no choice.

If the Sailor of her own sea, then I imagine it is to make a better life for Herself and/or existing or future family to fulfill dreams that would otherwise be unobtainable. A few years at this is the equivalent of perhaps decades working in a poorer country at any other job and even in the supposed equal opportunities West, it still would pay more over a shorter time scale.

3. Do escorts really respect a client?

In the main…..No, I say that in the context of only meeting perhaps once or twice in some bare bones apartment and engage in a perfunctory, base, emotionless or otherwise lacking in social interaction, or to put another way, wham, bam, thank you Man, It does not mean that they disrespect them necessarily, just that they are neutral, unconnected, they see them as a number, money in the pocket, no more, no less. But I already commented on the existence of something far less grey and depressing that I know to exist, so I say again…

Rarity does not equate to impossibility.

4. How does one square working as an escort and having self-respect of caring about oneself.

Quite easily, If an Escort goes about their business to the letter of how I, and I know at least one other would describe the term ‘Escort” to mean, then they have every right to have respect in themselves and pride in what they do, why should they not? They are doing nothing wrong. They are adding enjoyment to the world and not pain. That is as valid and positive a contribution to society bested only by bringing life itself into the world. If you or anyone feel that to be an Escort precludes the possibility of having self respect, then that is your and societies hang up, not theirs. I applaud them.

When I use the term Escort……I mean EXACTLY that, for that reason I feel there are very few that would come under that heading for me, which is why if I became a client, my list comprises four that I am confident are that and only one that I know beyond all doubt to be that.

As to caring about one self, I imagine you mean because of the inherent dangers involved you mean they most somehow think less of themselves as a result, why else would they do it you may mean?

Well that’s a little disingenuous and blinkered, because of the nature of the job, yes of course they put themselves in danger, but your ignoring the fact that so do Nurses in A&E every night up and down the country are assaulted also, they also risk their health, do they as a result of their chosen profession not respect themselves? They voluntarily put themselves in harms way for much less pay so on your reckoning they should really despise themselves and also be shunned by society but that is not the case, so really if you do not equate nurses as lacking in self respect when they run the same risk if for different reasons, then to allude to Escorts not having the same self respect is more telling of you then of them.

If you respect yourself, no one can disrespect you, they only lower themselves in trying.

5. Do people who force women into this business against their will, entice them in via enducements, force them to use their appartments or work for their agency, or knowingly make a good living from their work by selling them advertising space, security services or letting appartments to them at rack-rent rates, really care about escorts or respect them.

I’m not sure why you asked that as the answer is self evidently no.
And no, you do not come across as cynical, I agree with almost everything in the second half. I truly look at this in business terms, far most then most it seems, which is why I cannot understand why E-I has not cottoned on to how much potential this place has and how much more revenue they would make if they actually served the interests of Escorts by helping them in times of real need when they did absolutely nothing wrong, instead of ignoring them and also served the interests of Clients by clearing up issues such as fake profiles. If both had confidence in that then both could engage here without the air of menace that hangs over all from very few, this place would become a genuine place to converse and not to be badgered at every single juncture, it would attract more posters, more diversity, more vibrancy, more Escorts would engage safe in the knowledge that they won’t be intimidated simply for conversing in open dialogue, hence more business for E-I.

It does not require E-I to care one tiny bit, it does not in fact require anyone to care, it just requires them to do the right thing and the rewards will flow to all three sides. It requires them only to see that to look after your customers makes perfect long term business sense. A reputation for customer service and not tolerating the shameful thing that is being allowed to happen time and time again would grow and attract more Escorts and hence more profits. Everybody wins, E-I, Escorts, Clients. That is all I have been trying to get people to see. I saw that from the first few minutes, why am I the only one that does, yet am the only one who would not gain in any way. You all would, E-I included, but I am mocked for doing so, mocked for pointing out discrepancies, for highlighting hyprocracys, double standards, for highlighting hidden agendas, hidden motives.

As a neutral, I have done my level best to highlight how this place could be so much more for all THREE sides. If no one can see the logic and how easy the solutions to all your issues are, but instead choose to mock me for telling the gods honest truth under very difficult circumstances, then you all are well met and deserve to wallow together in this den of inequity…it could be so much more with so little effort, but alas will forever be so much less.

My conscience is clear, I did my best…Good day…

[bigpaws]

Carlos you are asking the wrong person as these questions are all Escort/Punter related .............. QPH is neither and therefore his answers/opinions in this arena are completely irrelevant as evidenced by his child-like answers on a subject which he struggles to even fully comprehend.

Which is probably why he has been totally ignored by those who matter in this business when trying to "bring about change" .................. would YOU take advise about human-related matters from a monkey???
Neither would I ..............