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    Syrian crisis: World waits to see if the U.S. will strike

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    U.N. evidence that could show whether chemical weapons were used in Syria will head to a lab Monday, but the answer may just be a formality.
    The American president has already said there's no doubt Syria's government killed hundreds of civilians in a chemical weapon attack -- and he wants to go after the regime. Independent tests have revealed "signatures of sarin gas" in blood and hair samples from Syria, Secretary of State John Kerry said.
    President Barack Obama wants Congress to sign off on limited strikes on Syrian targets -- but some lawmakers bristle at the idea of getting ensnared in another overseas conflict.
    A lot is riding on what the United States decides to do. Britain has already voted against taking any military action on Syria, and France said it won't act without the United States as a partner.
    That means if the United States wants to attack Syria, it may have to do it alone.
    On Monday, Syrian President Bashar al-Assad's regime asked the U.N. to step in.
    "The Syrian government calls on the U.N. Secretary General to shoulder his responsibilities for preventing any aggression on Syria," the state-run Syrian Arab News Agency reported.
    For now, Syria seems safe from U.N.-sanctioned hits. It's unlikely the U.N. Security Council will authorize military strikes against Syria because two of its members -- Russia and China -- have blocked all efforts to take action against their ally.
    U.S. Marines site hacked
    The pro-Assad Syrian Electronic Army appears to have hacked the U.S. Marines recruitment website, marines.com, and posted a letter urging Marines not to attack Syria.
    "Dear US Marines, This is a message written by your brothers in the Syrian Army, who have been fighting Al Qaeda for the last 3 years," the message states. "... Obama is a traitor who wants to put your lives in danger to rescue Al Qaeda insurgents."
    The message ends by saying, " You're more than welcome to fight alongside our army rather than against it. Your brothers, the Syrian army soldiers. A message delivered by the SEA"
    The waiting game
    While British and U.S. intelligence reports say the August 21 attack involved chemical weapons, U.N. officials have stressed the importance of waiting for an official report from the U.N. chemical weapons inspectors.
    The inspectors left Syria on Saturday, carrying evidence that will determine whether chemical weapons were used in the attack last month. But the U.N. won't give a date for when the testing would be completed.
    "It's being done as fast as it is possible to do within the scientific constraints," said Martin Nesirky, spokesman for Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon.
    Kerry: We must act
    The independent test results from Syria have firmed up suspicions that al-Assad's regime killed civilians in opposition strongholds, the Obama administration said.
    "We know that the regime ordered this attack, we know they prepared for it," Kerry said. "We know where the rockets came from. We know where they landed. We know the damage that was done afterwards. We've seen the horrific scenes all over the social media, and we have evidence of it in other ways, and we know that the regime tried to cover up afterwards, so the case is really an overwhelming case."
    With "each day that goes by, this case is even stronger," he said, arguing that the United States must act.
    "If you don't do it, you send a message of impunity," Kerry said. He said that could have a ripple effect on Iran, North Korea and Hezbollah.
    Facing resistance
    But the administration is facing resistance from lawmakers even before Congress officially comes back to Washington September 9.
    About 100 members of the House and Senate came back early from recess for the briefing with top administration officials, according to members who attended the meeting. Many of those lawmakers - Republicans and Democrats alike - left the session skeptical and with major concerns about the language of the president's proposal.
    While there have been no plans to put American boots on the ground, Democratic Rep. Chris Van Hollen said he wants to see an amendment that would prohibit American troops from being on the ground and a separate change that would put a firm expiration date on American action in the country.
    Asking for support
    Obama doesn't have to get Congress' approval to launch military action -- under the 1973 War Powers Resolution, a president can initiate an attack as long as he notifies Congress within 48 hours.
    But that's a U.S. law. Internationally, an Obama-led strike against Syria could be deemed illegal.
    The United Nations' charter generally doesn't allow countries to attack other nations unless in self-defense or with approval from the U.N. Security Council -- neither of which is the case in Syria.
    To help fix the legal problem, the Obama administration asked Congress over the weekend to approve a proposed authorization for the use of military force.
    Congressional approval wouldn't solve the problem with international law, a senior administration official said, but it would enhance the legitimacy of military action.
    China: Don't act unilaterally
    Chinese foreign affairs spokesman Hong Lei said China has noted the U.S. claim of chemical weapons evidence and that the United States has briefed China about the situation.
    But Hong said he was worried about any possible unilateral action against Syria.
    "We are gravely concerned that some country may take unilateral military actions," Hong said Monday.
    "We believe that any action taken by the international community should abide by the purposes and principles of the U.N. charter as well as basic norms governing international relations, so to as to avoid complicating the Syrian issue and bringing more disasters to the Middle East region."
    Syria denies claims
    The Syrian government has denied that it used chemical weapons in the August 21 attack, saying that jihadists fighting with the rebels used them in an effort to turn global sentiments against the regime.
    Maria Saadeh, a member of Syria's parliament, told CNN on Sunday that she sees no justification for a U.S. strike on Syria.
    "There is no legitimacy to make this attack," she said, accusing rebel groups of using chemical weapons and committing other crimes against humanity.
    Reports: Sarin's been used in Syria before
    World leaders have said previously that sarin has been used in the Syrian civil war.
    In April, the United States said it had evidence sarin was used in Syria on a small scale.
    In May, a U.N. official said there were strong suspicions that rebel forces used the deadly nerve agent.
    In June, France said sarin had been used several times in the war, including at least once by the Syrian regime.
    No end to the bloodshed
    While world leaders grapple with what to do about Syria, the reports of carnage on the ground keep rising.
    At least 118 people were killed across Syria on Sunday, including 13 children, the opposition group Local Coordination Committees of Syria said.
    The United Nations said more than 100,000 people -- including many civilians -- have been killed since a popular uprising spiraled into a civil war two years ago.
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    So, the UK is out, but will the US push on anyway? Will they strike, or are they best staying out of it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lara View Post
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    Obama's in a difficult situation now. Chemical weapons have been banned from use in warfare since World War 1 and you now have an incident where chemical weapons have been used and we're debating over what to do about it. There needs to be consequences or a precedent will be set in the use of these weapons. International law is flimsy enough with states not being obliged to follow any treaties, but we have to ask if this is one particular treaty we really want eroded.

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    A relative of mine is about to go out there as part of a UN peace keeping mission ( Irish Troops ),stationed in the Golan heights.If you can spare a minute and keep them in your thoughts and prayers

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    Quote Originally Posted by lara View Post
    So, the UK is out, but will the US push on anyway? Will they strike, or are they best staying out of it?
    I hope the U.S stays out of it.
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    I tend to agree with Patrick Cockburn, who argues that the limited intervention proposed by Obama, Cameron, and Hollande will only make things worse. I used to think that some sort of Western military intervention was needed, but the more I understand the complexities of this sectarian civil war and the oversimplifications of Obama and Cameron, the more I realise that a peace conference (brokered by the backers of the various belligerents) is the least worst solution now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sancho Panza View Post
    I tend to agree with Patrick Cockburn, who argues that the limited intervention proposed by Obama, Cameron, and Hollande will only make things worse. I used to think that some sort of Western military intervention was needed, but the more I understand the complexities of this sectarian civil war and the oversimplifications of Obama and Cameron, the more I realise that a peace conference (brokered by the backers of the various belligerents) is the least worst solution now.
    Like Cockburn, I think the strikes will only cause the stalemate to continue. At present, there doesn't seem to be any indication from either side that any kind of negotiation is desired. There also doesn't seem to be any real unified rebel leadership to speak with and it's very possible that the window of opportunity has long passed. We're basically looking at what happens when you have a leading minority oppressing the majority. The dictatorship breaks and there's a rebalancing of power. This may be a conflict that spans many years - a bit like Lebanon.
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    That whole region needs to be sorted out a combined effort between iran,russia and America but they must involve the countries affected it looks an impossible job really without war.

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    Really interesting article from the Washington post which gives a great (and concise) guide to the background on the current situation, and why the use of chemical weapons will finally provoke a reaction.

    9 questions about Syria you were too embarrassed to ask :
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...sk/?tid=pm_pop

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