set the record straight

[Half Man and Half Dildo]

If one were of a cynical mindset one might believe that all this has more to do with Irish and English escorts manoeuvring themselves into a position of long-term advantage over escorts of other nationalities. Afterall, the less competition, the more money there is to be made.

[Laura Lee]

If one were of a cynical mindset one might believe that all this has more to do with Irish and English escorts manoeuvring themselves into a position of long-term advantage over escorts of other nationalities. Afterall, the less competition, the more money there is to be made.

From my point of view, I really couldn't give a flying f**k where anyone comes from, and I'm certainly not afraid of a bit of competition. Hell, if I can still fill my diary at this stage, then what other girls are up to is of no concern of mine, not that it
ever was.

My biggest concern is that the anti's in Ireland are going to get away with this, I will DIE before that happens.
I grew up in the most repressive, dishonest, downright backwards society in Ireland and I am sick to death of watching
minority groups shit upon, such as the pro-choice groups in the aftermath of the Savita scandal. I used to be proud
of my country, but right now I am so goddamned ashamed I can't even put it into words.

And if you think that comes from a worry about how many bookings I'll have, well there's nothing I can say to that,
other than you obviously don't know me from Adam.

[UKHeather]

If one were of a cynical mindset one might believe that all this has more to do with Irish and English escorts manoeuvring themselves into a position of long-term advantage over escorts of other nationalities. Afterall, the less competition, the more money there is to be made.

One might also believe that you don't have a good grasp of fractions

[LaBelleThatcher]

My biggest concern is that the anti's in Ireland are going to get away with this, I will DIE before that happens.
I grew up in the most repressive, dishonest, downright backwards society in Ireland and I am sick to death of watching
minority groups shit upon, such as the pro-choice groups in the aftermath of the Savita scandal. I used to be proud
of my country, but right now I am so goddamned ashamed I can't even put it into words.

That is pretty much my own motivation...I have watched this crap take root and grow for 20 years. That is what keeps me going, I CAN'T let them get away with it.

[Cassandra]

If one were of a cynical mindset one might believe that all this has more to do with Irish and English escorts manoeuvring themselves into a position of long-term advantage over escorts of other nationalities. Afterall, the less competition, the more money there is to be made.

Perhaps for a few or even 1 particular escort but believe what you see here.
The point being made all through thid thread are

That us escorts are human. Some us a very genuine humans , the actual clients and poster-punters know this of the genuine and utterly professional escorts/former escorts who, having seen Kelly's stand, felt it appropriate and timely to make their own. Nevermind the showboaters and bollocks. More (if still a dissapointingly small number) Escorts than you know have gone far out of their way to tackle this. As it is an unfair and ridiculous piece of legislation that could shatter live s. No pun intended.
But what have all those with no ulterior motive, no vested intrests been met with?



Nastiness, unnecessary harrassmet, distrust and dispargement.

All from the 'home' side.

It's despicable behaviour and a crying shame,


so whilst some of us may note this and just turn away with a wry smile and focus our energies elsewhere,

others feeling obliged to say something, have and rightly so as well.

[Curvaceous Kate]

If one were of a cynical mindset one might believe that all this has more to do with Irish and English escorts manoeuvring themselves into a position of long-term advantage over escorts of other nationalities. Afterall, the less competition, the more money there is to be made.

How on earth did you come to that conclusion?

[Curvaceous Kate]

That is also true but you were already off in a sulk because I would not accept you (a total stranger, far younger than me) as my personal saviour, and objected to you reinventing me (at length), on a very personal level, behind my back. By which stage, if we are going to have it ALL out in the open, my distrust definately was not *limited* to people you "were trying to help" (who were, presumably, consenting adults?) who were, at the time, mostly working on striving to exclude me from the justice committee because they were too wrapped up in themselves to notice that I already excluded myself months earlier and (on the final count) 3 separate times...because I did not want to be a "token nigger" (as appeared the intention of both the Committee and SWAI).

(Wasn't it around that time I found you somewhere else quoting the Daily Mail as the 5th Gospel?)

Doesn't MATTER what SWAI and Pat Neary did...you have no control over that part of the problem, beyond never letting anything depend on them again...the only part of the problem you can control is the part some played in blowing it with backbiting, bitching faction fighting and knives in the back...which was significant.

I feel too tired and angry to say anymore.

What are you talking about? Me quoting the daily mail? Very doubtful. I don't read papers for one. I have a great friend who is also politically interested and often sends me snippets and links and if I think they are of interest I will post them here for others to see, but it's not really my thing to be quoting from them, unless I'm trying to make a point or play devils advocate. I certainly would not take ANY newspaper and quote it as gospel though. I'm far too long in the tooth for that.

I was quite bewildered by the warring and sparring going on and that includes yourself. I had no idea what was going on behind the scenes or who dislikes who etc. All I knew was that you were working closely with Rachel and that did make me hesitate. This is why I chose to make my submission public, instead of send it out individually. I just felt it was less open to abuse that way. I had no idea that you had fallen out with her at the time. Having said that, I would have still preferred to make it public, because then there is no hidden whispers or accusations to be made and everyone is being treated equally.

No knives here and certainly not with you. I would have thought through all of this you would have known that I still respect you for the work you are doing and the input that you have, otherwise I wouldn't thank so many of your posts.

I'm also confused as to your responses here. I was never wanting to be anything but supportive in any form I could be. I do what I can. I'm not here for the limelight or even the acknowledgement. I wanted to attend the meeting in a supportive role, maybe take notes and feed back afterwards, so we can see where to go from there. There are many roles a person can take without having to be the front man, but although my brain has had a fair battering in its life time, it still works and I like to use it the best way possible. So if I do have an agenda, that would be it. To keep myself mentally stimulated, but hopefully in a way that helps myself and people that I associate with.

There is too much hate in this world already. I am not interested in adding to that. I'm not even judging people most of the time, apart from the ones that seem to enjoy attacking me personally and then yes I will react and often do.

I don't see the point in us being at odds with each other, but it does seem clear that you have no idea as to why I'm here at all. I guess I can live with that, but it won't stop me continuing to take interest or put my own efforts in, because I think this matters.

[samlad]

In all fairness I think that this thread should have been started in the private forums. It's here now, for all clients and anti-prostitution organisations to see (and they are probably having a field day) so there's not really much we can do about that now.

As I've just got back from a week off, my mind feels a little clearer, so I will add my two-pence worth.

I do recall that several months ago, Rachel rang me up to talk about how she was getting on with her media work, etc. She mentioned that Kelly was doing a questionnaire and actually supported the idea. This is not me sticking up for Rachel, this is what was said, and Nicole was sat beside me when I had this conversation, and after the phone call, I gave Nicole the details. Rachel had also said that she was waiting to hear from Kelly. I can't confirm any details of that, maybe there was a communication problem or a problem with phone numbers or emails, I cannot say, but that is what happened.

Kelly says that she did not intentionally ignore Rachel's texts above, so fair enough. This confirms that there may have been some sort of miscommunication, so I don't know why people are blaming each other?

As for invitations to the meeting, we know that Rachel invited another escort. This isn't Rachel's fault (as we keep saying), this is the government's fault for only allowing an isolated number of independent sex workers to attend the committee hearing, and I do think that certain people are bitter and/or annoyed at this, but having an anti-Rachel campaign is not going to resolve this matter. It is done. Several escorts already stated that they wouldn't have attended anyway because of their privacy, which is fair enough and we respect that.

Considering that most of us think that this proposed legislation was predetermined anyway, and that the hearings were a matter of formality, why are escorts having a go at each other for it? I agree with several clients here, there are so many strong voices and personalities on these forums that should this had been organised better and all differences put aside, sex workers could have given the Irish government a run for their money! A few months ago, I also heard a comment that the government were not actually interested in seeing Irish/British escorts (but I will not state my sources, and it wasn't Rachel), but as it was hear-say, I just put it to the back of my mind. It actually makes sense if you think about it; they apparently only wanted to question foreign sex workers, off the record with incorrect details transcribed (stating Rachel was an 'agency' escort when she isn't), and they are supposedly bringing in this legislation to tackle trafficking. No brainer really.

Threads like these don't resolve issues, they create more issues. When it's posted in public, it doesn't just feed the likes of Ruhama who are trying to convince the public that sex work is dirty, deceitful and immoral, but it also gets people on board to join in for sport rather than actually add anything constructive towards the debate, and this is the very reason why arguments are accelerated.

People should really put their differences aside. If this law comes into play, it will be illegal to see ANY sex worker, agency or independent, so let's put things into perspective. Ruhama want rid of sex work entirely, not just foreign escorts.

[Nicole]

I would like to confirm that Sam indeed tells me each time about conversations he has with Rachel especially when it involves Rachel media work.

I also agree that there was mis communication between Rachel and Kelly, it sounds like both Ladies got in touch in wrong time.

I think people always try to see all negatives in everything, instead give Rachel support people rather condemn her for every little mistake. I think you all forget that Rachel put herself out there and spoke from her own experience.

I also heard remarks that Rachel did that for attention etc; well at the end of the day she is a business woman why would she not get something out of it and since when we have non altruistic society ?

I also read a remark about Rachel reputation? I am just wondering what gives anybody right to talk about other person reputation? these is no better or worst reputation here in my opinion. We have sex workers and clients here , entire industry is based on anonymity, so how on earth we are staring to talk about peoples reputation.

I feel that it is time for people to finally wake up or else it will be to late, new law will come in place and then it will affect everybody sex workers and clients.
I really hope you can put all that arguing energy in to something more useful.