Dail Debate 03/05/2013

[Ebony Amber]

LaBelle with all due respect I have no idea why you chose to quote my comment as I fail to see any relevance. I am simply pointing out that people who speak English as a native language are also foreign in Ireland.

In the past I have said that I think it would be wise to have Irish sex workers interact more as people are more likely to listen to them. I still believe that however that wasn't what I was getting into.

I just found it odd that Rachel says the committee don't want to hear from people from English speaking countries/

[Rachel Divine]

Rachel, oversimplifying the situation so that you can claim to be pivotal to it does not help either.

TORL make the insane claim that there are hundreds (sometimes they get carried away and say "thousands") of young foreign girls shipped in and held prisoner to meet the needs of Irish men.

It IS made that baldly and ridiculously, and nobody EVER asks them for evidence.

They certainly do not deny the existance of Irish sex workers, but, instead trotted out a former pimps with acting aspirations (she appeared in a stage play recently) called Justine Reilly and Moran to claim that they are all pimped and abused and need to be saved from themselves, by forcible intervention, if needs be, because they are suffering "false consciousness" (they even get the deluded idea they want to pimp out dozens of otherwomen apparently).

Prove the point that all sex workers are escorts and they are all foreigners working of their own free will and (as people do not like to encourage sex workers, or migrant workers of any kind in recession) the solution becomes:

"GOODY GOODY, the Swedish model will end the demand and stop them being able to work here and make them go work of their own free will somewhere else while we focus on rescuing ALL THOSE ABUSED IRISHWOMEN"

TORL (and a few other nasty people with a lot to gain from exploiting sex workers and the Swedish Model to actually sell sex) even try to tell the Irish sex workers (who do exist and are equally pissed off with "foreign escorts" and TORL at this stage) that they should support the Swedish Model because it is intended to get rid of the glut of foreign women so they can have all the clients to themselves, in an attempt to play different sections of the sex industry off against each other to get their own way.

TORL won the committee over with two blatant two Irish frauds because all we could send in were two foreigners.

I said it to you before the event and I will say it again, we NEEDED to send in Irish sex workers to committee. We could get away with sending you in because (when you are not setting out to needle people for the feck of it) you have a rare universal appeal, but whoever else went in with you had to be Irish.

Ignoring that was a gigantic mistake that cost us a lot of ground which has been compounded by Moran claiming to be the voice of Irish sex workers just before this private members bill is read and debated.

I doubt if there *IS* a way to contain that completely.

But let's not make it any worse shall we?

First, you say TORL tell Irish escorts to support the Swedish model because thats the way to get rid of foreign escorts. Than you say an Irish active escort should ve show up in front of the Committee.

Note : We both know Irish escorts who do want the Swedish model because they think at a business increase.

Question : Why do you think an Irish escort would ve make a difference to the Committee? Support the Swedish model or to say she is working on free will, know how to move around the country , easy to book an accommodation and no need for the help the foreign escorts need ??

On the other hand , in red, it is all about foreign escorts again, the "young trafficked , victims who suffer from Irish men abuse" . Tell me, where is the Irish escort come into equation there?
Also, thats the main point of all this new law, nothing else. The focus should be on it, besides the good image of the client in the media, which so far it is not out there...

[Rachel Divine]

Just to point out any one who is not Irish is a foreigner in Ireland.

Other than that I do not agree that the Committee are not interested in the stories of escorts who speak native English.

Why would the Committee and the media have interest in someone who speaks native English and have it easy to get into sex trade by himself/herself?

[Ebony Amber]

Why would the Committee and the media have interest in someone who speaks native English and have it easy to get into sex trade by himself/herself?

You tell me.

You went with Stephanie to the Committee where they listened to her right? And by Stephanies own admission she is American. Thus - she speaks native English.

So it seems the committee were indeed interested in hearing from someone who comes from a country where they are native English speakers

[LaBelleThatcher]

First, you say TORL tell Irish escorts to support the Swedish model because thats the way to get rid of foreign escorts. Than you say an Irish active escort should ve show up in front of the Committee.

Note : We both know Irish escorts who do want the Swedish model because they think at a business increase.

Question : Why do you think an Irish escort would ve make a difference to the Committee? Support the Swedish model or to say she is working on free will, know how to move around the country , easy to book an accommodation and no need for the help the foreign escorts need ??

On the other hand , in red, it is all about foreign escorts again, the "young trafficked , victims who suffer from Irish men abuse" . Tell me, where is the Irish escort come into equation there?
Also, thats the main point of all this new law, nothing else. The focus should be on it, besides the good image of the client in the media, which so far it is not out there...

TORL brought in a convicted Irish Pimp and "Rachel Moran" before the committee on false pretences (probably because that was all they could find to support them) to tell whatever lies they wanted them to about the sex industry.

We needed to bring in Irish sex workers to tell them the truth...which always rings truer than a lie when you compare the two...and there are plenty willing to do that if they hadn't been consistently intimidated out of participation.

THAT is the only way to win this, because, in the heel of the hunt, as long as they are not coerced victims the majority of Irish people could not care less about foreign sex workers and *DO NOT WANT ANY MIGRANT WORKERS (sex industry or not) COMING HERE AND TAKING JOBS FROM IRISH PEOPLE AT ALL*.

...so the argument that "all sex workers are foreigners, with different moral values to the Irish working here of their own free will" managed to provide a WHOLE NEW REASON for the committee to support TORL, in ADDITION to the "trafficked victims" argument".

GOOD JOB.

[LaBelleThatcher]

In the past I have said that I think it would be wise to have Irish sex workers interact more as people are more likely to listen to them. I still believe that however that wasn't what I was getting into.

Then until this consultation is over make sure you are one of the people IN THE VANGUARD of genuinely encouraging Irish sex workers to participate and speak up without fear of, ultimately, self destructive bitching from anyone.

Not "because I say so", but because your own, very fine, mind should be telling you that is literally the only chance we have left to win this and if we lose this the UK will be the next domino to fall via Northern Ireland.

[Ebony Amber]

Then until this consultation is over make sure you are one of the people IN THE VANGUARD of genuinely encouraging Irish sex workers to participate and speak up without fear of, ultimately, self destructive bitching from anyone.

Not "because I say so", but because your own, very fine, mind should be telling you that is literally the only chance we have left to win this and if we lose this the UK will be the next domino to fall via Northern Ireland.

This is insulting. How dare you make assumptions on any encouragements I make to others. I will have you know that I do my best to encourage everyone I can to be involved in everything I know of. You may not be privy to it but it happens.

[Rachel Divine]

This is insulting. How dare you make assumptions on any encouragements I make to others. I will have you know that I do my best to encourage everyone I can to be involved in everything I know of. You may not be privy to it but it happens.

This is the attitude I did not want in front of the Committee

[Ebony Amber]

Edited.

You are not even worth it Rachel although it was nice to get it out there.

[JoeyJoeJoeJuniorShabadoo]

This is the attitude I did not want in front of the Committee

Oh ffs. We all heard Amber speak on the Niall Boylan show. She comes across as incredibly reasonable, articulate and informed. She in no way appears to project "an attitude". This juvenile point scoring is not productive.