Aids & polio vaccine link? theory

[CoolJay]

http://www.uow.edu.au/~bmartin/dissent/documents/AIDS/

[dob]

http://www.uow.edu.au/~bmartin/dissent/documents/AIDS/

I had a look at the history of AIDS, I don't think this adds up.
HIV is a development of SIV (simian or monkey IV) and most probably skipped the species barrier due to the consumption of bush meat (ie monkey meat) in the early part of the 20th century.

from wikipedia article on the history of AIDS
Transmission from non-humans to humans

Most HIV researchers agree that HIV evolved at some point from the closely related Simian immunodeficiency virus (SIV), and that SIV or HIV (post mutation) was transferred from non-human primates to humans in the recent past (as a type of zoonosis). Research in this area is conducted using molecular phylogenetics, comparing viral genomic sequences to determine relatedness.
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HIV-1 from chimpanzees and gorillas to humans

Scientists generally accept that the known strains (or groups) of HIV-1 are most closely related to the simian immunodeficiency viruses (SIVs) endemic in wild ape populations of West Central African forests. Particularly, each of the known HIV-1 strains is either closely related to the SIV that infects the chimpanzee subspecies Pan troglodytes troglodytes (SIVcpz), or to the SIV that infects Western lowland gorillas (Gorilla gorilla gorilla), called SIVgor.[3][4][5][6][7][8] The pandemic HIV-1 strain (group M or Main) and a very rare strain only found in a few Cameroonian people (group N) are clearly derived from SIVcpz strains endemic in Pan troglodytes troglodytes chimpanzee populations living in Cameroon.[3] Another very rare HIV-1 strain (group P) is clearly derived from SIVgor strains of Cameroon.[6] Finally, the primate ancestor of HIV-1 group O, a strain infecting tens of thousands of people mostly from Cameroon but also from neighboring countries, is still uncertain, but there is evidence that it is either SIVcpz or SIVgor.[5] The pandemic HIV-1 group M is most closely related to the SIVcpz collected from the southeastern rain forests of Cameroon (modern East Province) near the Sangha River.[3] Thus, this region is presumably where the virus was first transmitted from chimpanzees to humans. However, reviews of the epidemiological evidence of early HIV-1 infection in stored blood samples, and of old cases of AIDS in Central Africa have led many scientists to believe that HIV-1 group M early human center was probably not in Cameroon, but rather farther south in the Democratic Republic of the Congo, more probably in its capital city, Kinshasa.[3][9][10][11]

Using HIV-1 sequences preserved in human biological samples along with estimates of viral mutation rates, scientists calculate that the jump from chimpanzee to human probably happened during the late 19th or early 20th century, a time of rapid urbanisation and colonisation in equatorial Africa. Exactly when the zoonosis occurred is not known. Some molecular dating studies suggest that HIV-1 group M had its most recent common ancestor (MRCA) (that is, started to spread in the human population) in the early 20th century, probably between 1915 and 1941.[12][13][14] A study published in 2008, analyzing viral sequences recovered from a recently-discovered biopsy made in Kinshasa, in 1960, along with previously-known sequences, suggested a common ancestor between 1873 and 1933 (with central estimates varying between 1902 and 1921).[15][16]

Genetic recombination had earlier been thought to "seriously confound" such phylogenetic analysis, but later "work has suggested that recombination is not likely to systematically bias [results]", although recombination is "expected to increase variance".[15] The results of a 2008 phylogenetics study support the later work and indicate that HIV evolves "fairly reliably".[15][17]
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HIV-2 from sooty mangabeys to humans

Similar research has been undertaken with SIV strains collected from several wild sooty mangabey (Cercocebus atys atys) (SIVsmm) communities of the West African nations of Sierra Leone, Liberia, and Ivory Coast. The resulting phylogenetic analyses show that the viruses most closely related to the two strains of HIV-2 which spread considerably in humans (HIV-2 groups A and B) are the SIVsmm found in the sooty mangabeys of the Tai forest, in western Ivory Coast.[2]

There are six additional known HIV-2 groups, each having been found in just one person. They all seem to derive from independent transmissions from sooty mangabeys to humans. Groups C and D have been found in two people from Liberia, groups E and F have been discovered in two people from Sierra Leone, and groups G and H have been detected in two people from the Ivory Coast. These HIV-2 strains are probably dead-end infections, and each of them is most closely related to SIVsmm strains from sooty mangabeys living in the same country where the human infection was found.[2][11][18]

Molecular dating studies suggest that both the epidemic groups (A and B) started to spread among humans between 1905 and 1961 (with the central estimates varying between 1932 and 1945).[19] [20]

See also this article about HIV types, groups, and subtypes.
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Bushmeat practice

According to the natural transfer theory (also called 'Hunter Theory' or 'Bushmeat Theory'), the "simplest and most plausible explanation for the cross-species transmission"[7] of SIV or HIV (post mutation), the virus was transmitted from an ape or monkey to a human when a hunter or bushmeat vendor/handler was bitten or cut while hunting or butchering the animal. The resulting exposure to blood or other bodily fluids of the animal can result in SIV infection.[21] A recent serological survey showed that human infections by SIV are not rare in Central Africa: the percentage of people showing seroreactivity to antigens — evidence of current or past SIV infection — was 2.3% among the general population of Cameroon, 7.8% in villages where bushmeat is hunted or used, and 17.1% in the most exposed people of these villages.[22] How the SIV virus would have transformed into HIV after infection of the hunter or bushmeat handler from the ape/monkey is still a matter of debate, although natural selection would favor any viruses capable of adjusting so that they could infect and reproduce in the T cells of a human host.

[Stephanie]

http://www.uow.edu.au/~bmartin/dissent/documents/AIDS/

Although Hooper’s claims were widely publicized, evidence does not support (and in some cases directly contradicts) the idea of a link between OPV(<<oral polio vaccine) and HIV.

First, leftover stocks of the polio vaccine in question were examined by independent laboratories, and were confirmed to have been made using monkey cells—not chimpanzee cells, as Hooper had claimed. Furthermore, none was contaminated with HIV or SIV. This data reinforces the vaccine developers’ statements that only monkey cells, not chimpanzee cells, were used in producing the vaccine.

Second, a 2004 study published in Nature found that the strain of SIV affecting chimpanzees in the area where Hooper claimed vaccine had been prepared using chimpanzee cells was genetically distinct from HIV strains. This refuted Hooper’s claims from yet another angle: even if SIV-infected chimpanzee cells from that area had been used to make the vaccine, they could not have been the source of HIV.

http://www.historyofvaccines.org/con...e-and-hiv-link

Sorry Jay.. xx

Internet -- what a wonderful toy x

[Cable87]

I watched this fantastic documentary a few years ago on exactly this topic, and I really found the evidence both compelling and highly convincing regarding the polio-vaccine made using bush meat theory. Have a watch yourselves and see if you find it convincing as well.


http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/origins-aids/

[Stephanie]

In a somewhat related story :

Polio is on the verge of being eradicated just as smallpox was in the 1970s.

At this point there have been only a handful of infections worldwide in the last year.

Unfortunately, those cases are in Afghanistan, Pakistan and Nigeria, where political factions are agitating against
(and in some cases killing !!) health aid workers.

At the moment there is a very strong, active push to vaccinate every single child in those regions. However, in some much publicised cases the local Mullahs preach against the aid workers and against children being vaccinated, falsely claiming that the vaccine contains HIV, or else that the doctors are mere spies.

Humanity is on the very verge of doing away with one of the most awful disesases that have affected (mostly) children throughout the ages.. : remember the iron lungs ? Remember the paralysed children ? We are oh-so-close to being done with this scourge, if only in those wartorn, volatile regions the powers that be would relent and instead of closed minded, near sighted personal gains/advantages, looked at the bigger picture, looked at and considered the best for all their people !

Pakistan :
"In December, during a polio-vaccine drive in Pakistan, nine field workers--six of them women or teenage girls--were killed in motorcycle drive-by shootings linked to the Pakistani Taliban. On Jan. 1, six more women and one man--all of them medical aid workers--were similarly shot to death. All of that bloodshed followed a Taliban order last June to halt the scheduled immunization of 161,000 children in North Waziristan province..."



"3 Nigeria Journalists Charged Over Polio Killings
By AP Feb 12, 2013

(KANO, Nigeria) — Police in northern Nigeria say they've arrested three radio journalists over the killings of at least nine female polio vaccinators, saying their on-air discussion about rumors around the vaccine sparked the attack. Kano state police commissioner Ibrahim Idris said Tuesday that the journalists, who..."



"Attackers Kill Three North Korean Doctors in Nigeria
By AP Feb 10, 2013
Assailants in northeastern Nigeria killed three North Korean doctors, beheading one of the physicians, in the latest attack on health workers in a nation under assault by a radical Islamic sect, officials said Sunday"

Source : Time Mag .. and my memory xx