The Science of Human Sexuality

[RicFlair]

Well done Ric.

Once again , seems to me all this must be a taboo , no questions are allowed , leave and let leave and of course we must accept something we do not agree with.

While I think is gay to see a TS , some people think is bi .. Something I will not argue because it is possible even if in my mind it is not the way I see it.

So, to get the confusion out of the way, it is not heterosexual , is bi sexual. To say otherwise is just own view and the way one lies to himself, but leave and let leave

That is your personal opinion Rachel and that's fine. But if you explore the Kinsey Institute site, read up on his works you may come to more enlighted and educated opinion.

The Kinsey scale is the result of hundreds of thousands of sexual histories documented. You can't argue against that type of research.

Prior to my own change at the age of 27 I might have agreed with you to some point. But after my little voyage of discovery I say different. But my opinion is just one. The research on the other hand is Science fact. And you can't argue with that. So instead, educate yourself with the subject. After all, you're a sex worker and you should probably try to understand this subject better rather than branding people all the same.

You are fighting a noble cause in the media for sex workers. You are giving the general public of this country a face. You are humanising prostitution which is fantastic. But then you turn around and share a backward opinion on homosexuality and Transgendered people. If the media knew that about you, you would be derailed in your work and become a embarrasment to your cause. So please stop sabotaging yourself.

We love you here and we want to stay loving you. Please just read up on this stuff.

[Rachel Divine]

That is your personal opinion Rachel and that's fine. But if you explore the Kinsey Institute site, read up on his works you may come to more enlighted and educated opinion.

The Kinsey scale is the result of hundreds of thousands of sexual histories documented. You can't argue against that type of research.

Prior to my own change at the age of 27 I might have agreed with you to some point. But after my little voyage of discovery I say different. But my opinion is just one. The research on the other hand is Science fact. And you can't argue with that. So instead, educate yourself with the subject. After all, you're a sex worker and you should probably try to understand this subject better rather than branding people all the same.

You are fighting a noble cause in the media for sex workers. You are giving the general public of this country a face. You are humanising prostitution which is fantastic. But then you turn around and share a backward opinion on homosexuality and Transgendered people. If the media knew that about you, you would be derailed in your work and become a embarrasment to your cause. So please stop sabotaging yourself.

We love you here and we want to stay loving you. Please just read up on this stuff.

Hold on a second mister.

You do not know what I really think about many things and I do not say them here or in the media.

Articles and research are different. Now, if I start browsing the net I will find ones to back up my view on this and ones to go against.

Tell me, why it bothers you soo much and what exactly?

Nobody is giving out to nobody about sexual preferences , not a person does not accept TS as part of our community.

Is it not possible to have a proper debate over this without demanding to accept something I already said many times I do not agree and why?

Sometimes my theory about gay, TSs and TVs gets stronger seeing how much ye push for this to be accepted as normal when is much better to let things to settle for itself. Is annoying all this justifications to straight people and is not happening only on the forum, outside of it as well.

See whoever you want, feel as straight or bi or gay as you wish, we do not care much about it, bring it on a forum and we shall have a word to say, no?!

I love ye too ..

[Cassandra]

Hold on a second mister.

You do not know what I really think about many things and I do not say them here or in the media.

Articles and research are different. Now, if I start browsing the net I will find ones to back up my view on this and ones to go against.

Tell me, why it bothers you soo much and what exactly?

Nobody is giving out to nobody about sexual preferences , not a person does not accept TS as part of our community.

Is it not possible to have a proper debate over this without demanding to accept something I already said many times I do not agree and why?

Sometimes my theory about gay, TSs and TVs gets stronger seeing how much ye push for this to be accepted as normall when is much better to let things to settle for itself. Is annoying all this justifications to straight people and is not happening only on the forum, outside of it as well.

See whoever you want, feel as straight or bi or gay as you wish, we do not care much about it, bring it on a forum and we shall have a word to say, no?!

I love ye too ..

Says exactly what you think

Search all you want, some kid in a basement somewhere will most likely agree with you. But seriously. Its' the Goddam Kinsey Institute. That you don't understand the significance of it....

A debate is when two people bring opposing ideas and use facts to bring their point across

What you do not agree with, like not agreeing with interracial marriage-for example- is a matter of your own personal opinion.

[RicFlair]

Hold on a second mister.

You do not know what I really think about many things and I do not say them here or in the media.

Articles and research are different. Now, if I start browsing the net I will find ones to back up my view on this and ones to go against.

Tell me, why it bothers you soo much and what exactly?

Nobody is giving out to nobody about sexual preferences , not a person does not accept TS as part of our community.

Is it not possible to have a proper debate over this without demanding to accept something I already said many times I do not agree and why?

Sometimes my theory about gay, TSs and TVs gets stronger seeing how much ye push for this to be accepted as normal when is much better to let things to settle for itself. Is annoying all this justifications to straight people and is not happening only on the forum, outside of it as well.

See whoever you want, feel as straight or bi or gay as you wish, we do not care much about it, bring it on a forum and we shall have a word to say, no?!

I love ye too ..

Rachel, you ae 27 years old. By the time you are 37 there is a massive possibility (especially given the nature of your employment) that you may have sex with another woman. It will be consensual and there most likely will not be money involved. Furthermore, you will enjoy it. It will for a while at least, mess with your head. You'll be asking yourself very serious questions about your sexuality. And that's perfectly healthy. You can find the answers to those questions probably by asking a sexual therapist or just by reading up on Kinsey's work. There's nothing stopping you from finding those answers. All I'm saying, is open your mind more and be more understanding. The same way you are trying to get the public to understand the sex trade in Ireland. You're a hero, so stay as a hero.

[Morpheus]

Interesting post Ric.

I always thought (and still do) that people are born with their sexual preferences. And maybe it's just that they only realised their real preferences later in life when no longer bound by their upbringing and social norms?

It's one we could amicably debate for hours - nuture vs nature.


Anyway this must be the only time in life that I'm glad to have scored zero!

[Morpheus]

Rachel, you ae 27 years old. By the time you are 37 there is a massive possibility (especially given the nature of your employment) that you may have sex with another woman. It will be consensual and there most likely will not be money involved. Furthermore, you will enjoy it. It will for a while at least, mess with your head. You'll be asking yourself very serious questions about your sexuality. And that's perfectly healthy. You can find the answers to those questions probably by asking a sexual therapist or just by reading up on Kinsey's work. There's nothing stopping you from finding those answers. All I'm saying, is open your mind more and be more understanding. The same way you are trying to get the public to understand the sex trade in Ireland. You're a hero, so stay as a hero.

I'm all for Rachel having torrid sex with another woman!! Just as long as we can all watch!!


Apologies Ric for going off topic, but it's your fault really! Uou shouldn't really mention lesbianism to me! (Or LDM for that matter). You just know it's going to set me off!


Actually back on topic, as hardcore heterosexual as I am, I can see the possibility of becoming a lesbian someday!!!

[Rachel Divine]

Rachel, you ae 27 years old. By the time you are 37 there is a massive possibility (especially given the nature of your employment) that you may have sex with another woman. It will be consensual and there most likely will not be money involved. Furthermore, you will enjoy it. It will for a while at least, mess with your head. You'll be asking yourself very serious questions about your sexuality. And that's perfectly healthy. You can find the answers to those questions probably by asking a sexual therapist or just by reading up on Kinsey's work. There's nothing stopping you from finding those answers. All I'm saying, is open your mind more and be more understanding. The same way you are trying to get the public to understand the sex trade in Ireland. You're a hero, so stay as a hero.

Perfect. If I have sex with a woman I am attracted to I would consider myself bisexual.
Is it possible for that to happen? Yes.
Perhaps in 10 years I will be a lesbian, totally attracted to women and not men whatsoever.
Again it is possible.
In those cases I would not call myself as being straight.

If you tell me sexual orientation changes in time I agree. We born as male and female.
What is in between, has a name, TS and TV, for the way they feel and gay/straight/bi by orientation.

If you say that orientation and the way you feel changes passing the years, how do you expect people to see a TS as a woman? Adding to that, a TS born as a male/female and change.

[RicFlair]

Perfect. If I have sex with a woman I am attracted to I would consider myself bisexual.
Is it possible for that to happen? Yes.
Perhaps in 10 years I will be a lesbian, totally attracted to women and not men whatsoever.
Again it is possible.
In those cases I would not call myself as being straight.

If you tell me sexual orientation changes in time I agree. We born as male and female.
What is in between, has a name, TS and TV, for the way they feel and gay/straight/bi by orientation.

If you say that orientation and the way you feel changes passing the years, how do you expect people to see a TS as a woman? Adding to that, a TS born as a male/female and change.

Well transexuals are a 3rd sex recognised by the science community, they are not male or female in the traditional sense. They are designated as a 3rd sex. Wheter born with male or female genitalia it doesn't matter. What does matter is the male/female hormonal imbalance within them. This is what determines if a person is transexual or not. So its not the genitalia, its the male/female hormones within them.

A TV is different. Anyone can be a transvestite. A transvestite is a person who simply dresses as member of the opposite sex and should not be confused with what a medical Transexual is.

[Rachel Divine]

Well transexuals are a 3rd sex recognised by the science community, they are not male or female in the traditional sense. They are designated as a 3rd sex. Wheter born with male or female genitalia it doesn't matter. What does matter is the male/female hormonal imbalance within them. This is what determines if a person is transexual or not. So its not the genitalia, its the male/female hormones within them.

A TV is different. Anyone can be a transvestite. A transvestite is a person who simply dresses as member of the opposite sex and should not be confused with what a medical Transexual is.

Okay darling. I like the way this thread goes.

If transexual is a 3rd sex , why they demand and want to be recognized as women?
After all they are a TS not a female, 3rd sex not 2nd or 1st.

Would be possible to balance that male/female hormonal level? Just asking..

[Cassandra]

I wrote my reply before Rick posted. But here it is anyways

hittin' it up from a slightly different viewpoint:

This is more than a little sloppliy put together but I hope you understand the point I'm trying to make

A male-to-female TS is a woman because they choose to be.
It is not a mask, It is not a pair of silicons and a wig. It is the physical expression of their own self image. Should we take it that one's identity is one's own conception and expression of their individuality, then someone who identifies strongly with the characteristics of the opposite gender (female,in this case) to the point where they take such drastic measures as entailed by the transgender process, in order to express it-surely must count as Female.


That first part.That's my point. bit o rhetoric followed by an argument based on the definitions of the words used in your own argument.

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