Genuine escorts or trfficed girls???

[EnglishAlex]

Has anyone else seen this documentary?

Yes I saw it.

But rather than defer from trafficking in Ireland, I'd like to ask why EI are allowing agency profiles to be advertised as Independent when they are not? These agencies are part of organised crime rings. The site is not only condoning the agencies which are illegal but is their vehicle for their 'goods'. This site is where most adverts for escorts in Ireland are held, why don't you do more about the fake advertisers? The adverts wouldn't be there to reel the clients in if a responsible approach was taken when someone submits an advert.

[Rachel Divine]

Do you think the only way to force someone is to physically tie them up? Or chain them to a radiator? It is not. I've met escorts who were trafficked and they were in fear for their lives and the lives of their family if they spoke out against the traffickers. They weren't tied up, they were mentally tortured and tormented into believing they couldn't leave. I helped to raise funds so that a lady we knew could buy out of the situation she was in - she was put there and controlled by traffickers btw. The ones you claim don't exist.

The government? As I said before, they have neither the funds nor the manpower to adress the problem - so they panic and try to criminalise it. Yes, the government are really doing well on this one.

I've worked in the sex industry for long enough to know it's not all fine and dandy, my eyes are wide open to the exploitation that occurs and to the manipulation too

You were working for agencies in Ireland Rachel, you were not independent so I'm not surprised you've shared more times here than I have. But do not for one second assume that my knowledge of the escort industry in Ireland is limited to how REAL Independents operate. I have friends in UK who came and worked for agencies in Ireland as far back as 2000. They were robbed, they were raped and they were terrorised if they left without prior permission. These same agencies that you chose to sing the praises of. The very same ones.

So do me a favour, don't act like it's all a lovely place when you know that it isn't. Your ignorance is extremely selective. In other words, I don't believe that you've never shared with a trafficked escort. Whether you knew it or not is an entirely different matter. These ladies live in fear so not necessarily going to be vocal about how they really got to Ireland etc.

We all have stories to tell, no doubt about it.

I never said the human trafficking doesnt exists .. Did I?

I dont agree with the "foreign escorts , young, little English" are to avoid/ asked questions .. By that criteria only native English and over 25 yrs are to see and not trafficked?!!!

Shared apartments this year and last year, working for myself on my own will .. no agency involved whatsoever ...

None of the ladies, I mean none seemed to me to have fear for their life ,nor were threatened over the phone or in person by anyone .. One day, two but a week in enough time to ask for help if any of them need it...

Being a native English I doubt you know what is to go aboard in a foreign country you do not speak the language , how to manage yourself at the start in sex industry..

As much you say agencies did this and that , I still believe are a good help for the new escorts ..

The past is there and we can not change it, yet we do not do much for the future ...

[Rachel Divine]

As I said, the clients are more likely to meet the sex workers than we are. Until an official and fair study is performed, I'll keep an open mind.

One could also ask where are the figures on how many sex workers are independent.

Take for example the last big raids ...

[samlad]

Yes I saw it.

But rather than defer from trafficking in Ireland, I'd like to ask why EI are allowing agency profiles to be advertised as Independent when they are not? These agencies are part of organised crime rings. The site is not only condoning the agencies which are illegal but is their vehicle for their 'goods'. This site is where most adverts for escorts in Ireland are held, why don't you do more about the fake advertisers? The adverts wouldn't be there to reel the clients in if a responsible approach was taken when someone submits an advert.

You are making two big assumptions: a) you expect E-I to know who is agency and independent and b) you are assuming that agencies are responsible for promoting trafficked sex workers. If agencies are illegal, why do some independent escorts have people acting as agents on their behalf?

[LaBelleThatcher]

I'm not surprised you have never come across anyone who was in a situation other than of their own free will. I haven't either. Why would we? It's the clients who are going to come into contact with any such ladies.

I don't mean as a sex worker Heather, but I have had a very varied life been in all the right places, sooner or later, to see evidence of trafficking and commercialised coercion if it was really there...(except in the same sense that serial murder is really there.)

It's a horrible sort of propaganda and never mind being used as an excuse to persecute sex workers, the real problems are being buried under all the mass hysteria.

[Rachel Divine]

Yes I saw it.

But rather than defer from trafficking in Ireland, I'd like to ask why EI are allowing agency profiles to be advertised as Independent when they are not? These agencies are part of organised crime rings. The site is not only condoning the agencies which are illegal but is their vehicle for their 'goods'. This site is where most adverts for escorts in Ireland are held, why don't you do more about the fake advertisers? The adverts wouldn't be there to reel the clients in if a responsible approach was taken when someone submits an advert.

How is suppose E-I to stop agencies to advertise the escorts as indies?
Putting down an profile, the next day a new one is up and so on..

[EnglishAlex]

You are making two big assumptions: a) you expect E-I to know who is agency and independent and b) you are assuming that agencies are responsible for promoting trafficked sex workers. If agencies are illegal, why do some independent escorts have people acting as agents on their behalf?

Forgive me sam, but when I see a phone number passed from pillar to post, a group of 5 escorts travelling in tandem from donegal to kerry and read reviews about there being a selection of escorts and someone knocking on the door when time is up - I kind of assume EI have a lot more info than the average person making an appointment but don't act on it. Lets be honest here, the revenue from 5 independent profiles is a lot more than that from an escort agency so it's not in the interest of E-Designers Ltd to make an active effort. Quite the opposite in fact.

Handing over a percentage of your earnings to an agent is entirely different to employing someone. There is no IF, agencies in Ireland are illegal unless the law has changed very recently.

I'm not getting into it further as this is organised crime I'm publicly discussing and those people aren't really happy being the topic of conversation. So for my health, I have nothing more to say on the matter.

[Rachel Divine]

Forgive me sam, but when I see a phone number passed from pillar to post, a group of 5 escorts travelling in tandem from donegal to kerry and read reviews about there being a selection of escorts and someone knocking on the door when time is up - I kind of assume EI have a lot more info than the average person making an appointment but don't act on it. Lets be honest here, the revenue from 5 independent profiles is a lot more than that from an escort agency so it's not in the interest of E-Designers Ltd to make an active effort. Quite the opposite in fact.

Handing over a percentage of your earnings to an agent is entirely different to employing someone. There is no IF, agencies in Ireland are illegal unless the law has changed very recently.

I'm not getting into it further as this is organised crime I'm publicly discussing and those people aren't really happy being the topic of conversation. So for my health, I have nothing more to say on the matter.

Could be 5 friends and to take action (whatever action that will be) based only on those facts in not right.

The police could stay all day monitoring profiles and reviews and if your criteria would be right they would ve taken action based on it .. but is far from reliable ...

[Ted E Bear]

....... But I've realised that many clients simply do not give a shit about anything but fucking the next hot piece of ass they meet, regardless of whether she's actively willing or quite reluctant. It's all the same to many of them. It disgusts me.
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From what I've read and seen on forums this is probably the most accurate statement I've read and as a man it disgusts me also.
They seem to put no effort into research other than pics and phone numbers.

[samlad]

Forgive me sam, but when I see a phone number passed from pillar to post, a group of 5 escorts travelling in tandem from donegal to kerry and read reviews about there being a selection of escorts and someone knocking on the door when time is up - I kind of assume EI have a lot more info than the average person making an appointment but don't act on it. Lets be honest here, the revenue from 5 independent profiles is a lot more than that from an escort agency so it's not in the interest of E-Designers Ltd to make an active effort. Quite the opposite in fact.

Handing over a percentage of your earnings to an agent is entirely different to employing someone. There is no IF, agencies in Ireland are illegal unless the law has changed very recently.

I'm not getting into it further as this is organised crime I'm publicly discussing and those people aren't really happy being the topic of conversation. So for my health, I have nothing more to say on the matter.

I do appreciate that you don't want to continue to discuss this for your health, but if that is the case, why provoke the debate? I do agree that there is a difference between handing over a percentage of cash to an employer and hiring someone to do a service, but in the eyes of the law, there isn't any difference.