Palestine ... A State ?

[Stephanie]

Today, despite strenuous objections from Israel and the US , the United Nations has elected to elevate Palestine's status ,

which paves the way for possibly a free Palestinian State. A country of their own , internationally recognized.

And if that should come to pass , then all the Israeli settlements in Palestinian territory shall be

deemed illegal and shall be disassembled ?

What do you think ?

Are they terrorist or people fighting for self determination ,

essentially freedom fighters trying to throw off the Israeli yoke ??

[dr love]

If only it was that easy to sort that conflict out .

As with all wars of this nature , both sides claim the legitimate right of said war .
Indeed it would be a triumph should this be sorted , the innocents on both sides of this conflict deserve such .: doc

[very shy guy]

If only it was that easy to sort that conflict out .

As with all wars of this nature , both sides claim the legitimate right of said war .
Indeed it would be a triumph should this be sorted , the innocents on both sides of this conflict deserve such .: doc

Amen Doc,sadly I will not hold my breath waiting for it to be sorted out,our own mess on this island is covered over with a thin veneer of peace.

[dr love]

Amen Doc,sadly I will not hold my breath waiting for it to be sorted out,our own mess on this island is covered over with a thin veneer of peace.

True vsg , and religion been the common denominator between the two .: doc

[nitram]

For far too long Israel has been thumbing it's nose at what the vast majority of the world considers to be human rights !
In the 50's, 60's & 70's the Mossad carried out its mission against former Nazi war criminals and they didn't let any aspect of national or international law or borders, get in their way and many believe they did so with the help of the US, among others.
Following the attack on the Israel athletes at the Munich Olympic games, the mossad tracked down the perpitraitors and instead of bringing them to trial they executed them. Years later there was a film made about it which portrayed the mossad as the riteous ! Look at the which happened after 3 IRA members were taken out by British armed special forces in Gibralter there was an outcry against Britten and it's forces action, but where is such an outcry when Israel kills kids and other innocent people in Gaza or the West Bank ?

I'll bring it closed to home The IRA sets off a bomb in Belfast (like the one that went off in the Shankill Road in a butchers shop, killing the bombers and shoppers alike) but what if the British government responded to this incident by sending an attack helicopter into Irish air space and blowing up one of the flats in Ballymun, because they claimed that a senior IRA leader lived there ? The Irish government would not take that action lying down and neither would it's people, because it would not be the action of a civlized power to do such a thing.

So why is Israel getting away with it's actions, because it's greatest ally is the USA who along with the CIA have supported despots, dictators, and other undesirable states, because it suited the aims of US industry and others but to hell with the rights of the ordinary people and America wonders why it's not liked or its influence is considered unwelcome by Arab nations or peoples.

Stephanie you are correct that opportunities have been lost, just look at the north of this island if certain parties had sat down and talked earlier how many more people would be alive on both sides. The voice of moderation is all too often ignored, but that of the warmonger is loudest.

[Desirable Encounters]

Today, despite strenuous objections from Israel and the US , the United Nations has elected to elevate Palestine's status ,

which paves the way for possibly a free Palestinian State. A country of their own , internationally recognized.

And if that should come to pass , then all the Israeli settlements in Palestinian territory shall be

deemed illegal and shall be disassembled ?

What do you think ?

Are they terrorist or people fighting for self determination ,

essentially freedom fighters trying to throw off the Israeli yoke ??

While the complexities of the issue are well established each and every struggle, irrespective of its kind, (be it political, economic or social) attracts an undesirable element and as result undermine the overall goal.

[Stephanie]

While the complexities of the issue are well established each and every struggle, irrespective of its kind, (be it political, economic or social) attracts an undesirable element and as result undermine the overall goal.

I agree. But :

Even if your cause is noble, does one become a terrorist if he uses terror tactics, or does the end justify the means ??

With all the bombings etc: freedom fighters deserving of their own country, or terrorist who need to be suppressed and wiped out ?

Shall Palestine become a sovereign nation, a country, a State -- internationally recognized ?

Shall all the bloodshed be forgiven -- on both sides -- and turn over a new leaf ?

Israel was fought for and founded after some very messy bloody terrorist actions... Shoe on other foot ?

[Pinot]

I agree. But :

Even if your cause is noble, does one become a terrorist if he uses terror tactics, or does the end justify the means ??

There is no correct answer to your question, it depends on your ethical and moral beliefs in relation to the conflict. Do you believe in absolutism (the end will never justify the means) or relativism (the end does justify the means)...

[Stephanie]

There is no correct answer to your question, it depends on your ethical and moral beliefs in relation to the conflict. Do you believe in absolutism (the end will never justify the means) or relativism (the end does justify the means)...

I wholly agree with you as to no correct answer.. as we all bring preconceived notions and thoughts to the subject..

Hm. Also : Absolutism or Relativism.. I would have to give that a bit more thought..

How do You see it ?

[10inchesandcounting]

Internationally recognised it might eventually become, I still don't think it will change anything as long as Israel and the US don't bulge.
Take chyprus as an example, it was invaded by the turks who were unanimously condemmed by every single nation on earth,
they just said fuck you very much all and built a demarcation line that has split the country ever since.
No one ever did anything against the turks and they didn't have the US to back them up.
Based on that, I just don't see anything changing no matter the status Palestine gets!!!.