whats this obsession with agencies are you trying to set up one or something?
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whats this obsession with agencies are you trying to set up one or something?
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Originally Posted by Sweet Rachel
I think I explained already, read above. Sure if I wanted to set up one I wouldnt come here and ask all the questions I did/will do on an open forum.
Rachel in Ireland at the moment people are going to treat agencies with scepticism because the perception is they charge too much commission in comparison to the UK and some not all before you jump on the comment are involved in coercion and trafficking. If which won't happen the sex industry was legalised it would be possible through employment law for agency staff to be protected, then Irish clients in general may trust agencies. Until then most Irish clients prob won't trust agencies.
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YES Rachel but its a big but here in ireland, i dont think the clowns running the country know the meaning of regulated and offten gets it mixed up with deregulated eg: taxi, the sale of alcohol, Energy and so on.
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I appreciate what you are asking Rachel, but I don't think you should push for legalisation and regulation of any aspect of the sex work industry because:
- It's not going to happen in Ireland (not this decade anyway). In the Paul Connolly TV3 mocumentary, the Minister for Justice, Alan Shater was interviewed and he stated unequivocally that legalisation of the sex work industry was not on the cards.
- Even if there was the public and political support for legalisation and regulation of the sex work industry - do you actually want the government i.e. the civil service to be running things for you???? They can't run anything half decently, so they would certainly ruin it for you escorts.
At any meeting you go to, I think you should stick to your original arguments
1) Oppose any attempt to bring in criminalization of clients or nay form of Swedish model.
2) Push for a change in brothel definition to allow allow at least two sex workers to work together
3) Oppose any attempts to criminalize landlords - as this will not only affect escorts but any attractive foreign ladies from ever being able to rent a place in Ireland!!
4) Oppose their moves to block mobile phones of advertisers, as they will be blocking your phones.
Keeping it simple will make probably help you be as effective as possible, because the oppostion will always muddy the waters.
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Curvaceous Kate (10-11-12), Lilian (10-11-12), mymann (10-11-12), Rachel Divine (10-11-12)
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Part 2: In relation to the meeting you are going to Rachel:
I would personally avoid pushing for any special definiton of legislation regarding agencies - as it will all get too complicated. In the Primetime documentary on sex work (which incidentally was a very well research albeit biased piece of journalism) - they featured both Anton Ion and the Dublin Madam of "The Agency". The situations were chalk and cheese!
Anton Ion's girls were all young, foreign and with very little English - being herded around the country like cattle in his BMW, carrying their belongings in black plastic bags! It upset me seeing that there are girls having to work in such conditions. The Agency's Madam by contrast seemed very reasonable and pleasant to the girl (reporter) enquiring on the phone. The 50-50 split in profits was stated up front. The girls were driven to and from appointments to the apartment used by 'the Agency'. A totally different situation to the former.
I'm not going to argue about the legitamacy or detriments of agencies. As has been evident on related agency threads here on E-I - even those of us in the community are split over opinons regarding the same. The opposition will just have a field day if they managed to confuse the issues at stake.
All that matters is whether a girl consents to be a sex worker or not. It doesn't matter whether she chooses to work independantly or for an agency or for a pimp. It doesn't matter whether a girl chooses to work in an apartment or on the street. It doesn't matter whether she chooses to risk living alone, or risk sharing with others. I don't like the idea of girls working for pimps or working on the street but at the end of the day what I think does not matter. It's what the girl thinks and decides for herself that is the only thing that matters.
Choice and consent are the only things that matter. And the only arbiter of whether a girl is doing this of her own free will - is her word , not Ruhama's. If she says she isnt', then get the guards and give her all the legal help she can get. If she says she is doing it of her own free will, then Ruhama and the TORL can leave her the fuck alone to get on with her life and job!!!!
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I am aware of asking for such regulation is madness, yet I wanted to read what you people think about it.
Thank you very much.
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In Santry there is a based agency runned by a south american lady, its there for years and most clients when visiting escorts wouldnt know they are visiting escorts who work for agency as they are advertised as independent escorts. I am very curious about this case like garda have found out about so many brothels all over ireland the lasts years, and this "agency" is still there, how come on can be this possible ?
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Brock, giving an interview and the agencies issue is raised , one can not say those do not exists.
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Quote the bible at them... Let he who is with out sin, cast the first stone! This links with a Jeremy Kyle saying, which is those that protest are usually doing it, because they have done it themselves. Ie, They are no better than the sex worker and client, the only difference is that there is no game playing going on and both parties know exactly where they stand and what the expectations are. Perhaps they are more worried about the temptation and their own inability to control themselves?
Personally I do not agree with a register and I do agree that there are too many holes in getting it legalised just yet. What it would achieve is a two tear system. Those with nothing to lose will go legal and those who are in education, or have other career paths or are not legally allowed to work in the Country due to nationality will continue working ilegally, because they do not want to jeopodise their future or due to having no choice. For this to work, it has to be able to accept everyone who wants to work in the sex Industry and not just the ones who have nothing to lose.
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