Agencies and Pimps ... Is it there a difference?

[Rachel Divine]

Under the law it is illegal :
-pimp
-agency
-2 escorts sharing
-trafficking

A pimp it is the person who controls , force , keep ID , not allow the escort any exterior contact without permission.
Agency do not control escorts, force to work and so on. It is indeed, a work time an escort has to respect yes, in any work it is those hours where you have to work.

Under the law both are painted with same brush, when I do not think it should and the difference has to be made. In the moment we put pimp same as agency, then, a person who force into prostitution what will be?!

We do turn blind eye to sharing escorts , by reasonable motives yet under the law it is illegal.

If we can see things right on that, why cant we see things right about agencies and the difference between them and pimps?

Trafficking under the law can be I buy a fly ticket for a friend, who comes over on her own will.
The term it is not used for what actually should be : force to come over, force to work and one point we miss it is that not necessary it must be brought from abroad in order to be trafficked, moved by force from Dublin to Cork and forced to work as a prostitute.

The main problem we have to deal and thing about it is how we will know which agency is good, which is bad, what escort it is really independent and not forced into prostitution. Now agencies do not advertise as such, making things harder for everyone. I think anyone got the point why those agencies were drive underground, so, I will not make the point again.

Perhaps we should ask from the new law to regulate the agencies along with 2 sharing to be legal and our clients to not be criminalised. Also , a good point it is the difference between agencies and pimps, even if under the law are the same thing, in reality are not.

[Liberty Love]

are you seriously asking a question here or trying to convince someone or yourself.... save it for the judge sweetheart!

[Rachel Divine]

are you seriously asking a question here or trying to convince someone or yourself.... save it for the judge sweetheart!

It is a question, a valid one ... I would tell you what to do with your sneaky comments, but I will hold....

[JAMESCORK]

are you seriously asking a question here or trying to convince someone or yourself.... save it for the judge sweetheart!

I think there are valid points there...

[A M I N A]

Under the law it is illegal :
-pimp
-agency
-2 escorts sharing
-trafficking

A pimp it is the person who controls , force , keep ID , not allow the escort any exterior contact without permission.
Agency do not control escorts, force to work and so on. It is indeed, a work time an escort has to respect yes, in any work it is those hours where you have to work.

Under the law both are painted with same brush, when I do not think it should and the difference has to be made. In the moment we put pimp same as agency, then, a person who force into prostitution what will be?!

We do turn blind eye to sharing escorts , by reasonable motives yet under the law it is illegal.

If we can see things right on that, why cant we see things right about agencies and the difference between them and pimps?

Trafficking under the law can be I buy a fly ticket for a friend, who comes over on her own will.
The term it is not used for what actually should be : force to come over, force to work and one point we miss it is that not necessary it must be brought from abroad in order to be trafficked, moved by force from Dublin to Cork and forced to work as a prostitute.

The main problem we have to deal and thing about it is how we will know which agency is good, which is bad, what escort it is really independent and not forced into prostitution. Now agencies do not advertise as such, making things harder for everyone. I think anyone got the point why those agencies were drive underground, so, I will not make the point again.

Perhaps we should ask from the new law to regulate the agencies along with 2 sharing to be legal and our clients to not be criminalised. Also , a good point it is the difference between agencies and pimps, even if under the law are the same thing, in reality are not.

-pimp
-agency
-2 escorts sharing
-trafficking big difference between all this

[Metro 6R4]

I think there are valid points there...

And not to be mocked at !!

[UKHeather]

Here is the definition according to Collins World English Dictionary.
(Female pimps are referred to as Madams)

pimp
n
1. a man who solicits for a prostitute or brothel and lives off the earnings
2. a man who procures sexual gratification for another; procurer; pander
vb
(intr) to act as a pimp

[retired punter]

Ok I have to say I think Sam answered nearly all your points with his stickey thread, so not sure if this thread is needed.

Now if your asking for opinions on the legality issue and the best way forward then this is my opinion.

The best option would be to legalise the industry for both independent and Agency escorts. This would require escorts and agencies to pay taxes and also allow the authorities to check up on all escorts, to find out if they are doing this of their own free will and that their working conditions are ok. (ie not being forced trafficked or coerced into doing something they don't want too. ) it would also require agencies to be run like any properly registered businesses, this would make it easy for the authorities to see who is running the agencies and whether there are criminal elements involved. Unfortunately I can't see this happening in the politically correct Ireland that we live in.

In summary make it legal and it is much easier to control trafficking and all the other bad and dangerous elements of the industry.

[Rachel Divine]

Here is the definition according to Collins World English Dictionary.
(Female pimps are referred to as Madams)

pimp
n
1. a man who solicits for a prostitute or brothel and lives off the earnings
2. a man who procures sexual gratification for another; procurer; pander
vb
(intr) to act as a pimp

1a man who controls prostitutes and arranges clients for them, taking a percentage of their earnings in return.

[Stephanie]

Rach xx

You and I are on pretty good terms, I respect your right to your opinion, and I think (I hope) you have no hard feelings for me.

So, I'm saying this totally impartially.

What is the deal with you and agencies ? Your recent postings certainly seem like you are driving at an agenda.. I am out of the

loop, dunno what's going on, so I am just saying it the way I see it. What's up ??


Your other thread I stayed out of (after my initial posts), but now two days later you are at it again from a different angle.. ??


Hm. To try to answer your [rhetorical] question :

Certainly there's a difference b/w pimp and Agency. But it is oh-so-unfortunate that pimps can masquarade as 'Agency' ..

In my very naive and 'sheltered-life' opinion it would be better for all concerned if Agencies (and for that matter the whole

industry) were legalised and regulated. Simple.

On the other thread someone said that "high cash profit margin will always attract the criminal element".. I agree.

Also, as long as something is illegal, it is the 'bad guys' that will take it up. The upstanding tax paying citizen with much to lose

will not become involved in anything illegal (ie running Agency). So for now, I think that is partly why people shy away from Agencies.

[not to mention the myriad of other reasons that have already been discussed] .

Pimp = force. Intimidation. Fraud. Deceit. Coercion. Blackmail. Threat.

Agency = can be benevolent in which case could be a good launching pad for new providers, or could be as bad as pimp.

How can you tell the difference from the outside ???

Solution :

Legalise. Tax. Regulate. Transparency and accountability.