Agencies and Pimps ... Is it there a difference?

[Rachel Divine]

Ok I have to say I think Sam answered nearly all your points with his stickey thread, so not sure if this thread is needed.

Now if your asking for opinions on the legality issue and the best way forward then this is my opinion.

The best option would be to legalise the industry for both independent and Agency escorts. This would require escorts and agencies to pay taxes and also allow the authorities to check up on all escorts, to find out if they are doing this of their own free will and that their working conditions are ok. (ie not being forced trafficked or coerced into doing something they don't want too. ) it would also require agencies to be run like any properly registered businesses, this would make it easy for the authorities to see who is running the agencies and whether there are criminal elements involved. Unfortunately I can't see this happening in the politically correct Ireland that we live in.

In summary make it legal and it is much easier to control trafficking and all the other bad and dangerous elements of the industry.

Sam sticky thread it is not open for discussion this thread it is.
I agree with the rest of your post.

[UKHeather]

1a man who controls prostitutes and arranges clients for them, taking a percentage of their earnings in return.

It clearly says solicits Rachel...

[Rachel Divine]

Rach xx

You and I are on pretty good terms, I respect your right to your opinion, and I think (I hope) you have no hard feelings for me.

So, I'm saying this totally impartially.

What is the deal with you and agencies ? Your recent postings certainly seem like you are driving at an agenda.. I am out of the

loop, dunno what's going on, so I am just saying it the way I see it. What's up ??


Your other thread I stayed out of (after my initial posts), but now two days later you are at it again from a different angle.. ??


Hm. To try to answer your [rhetorical] question :

Certainly there's a difference b/w pimp and Agency. But it is oh-so-unfortunate that pimps can masquarade as 'Agency' ..

In my very naive and 'sheltered-life' opinion it would be better for all concerned if Agencies (and for that matter the whole

industry) were legalised and regulated. Simple.

On the other thread someone said that "high cash profit margin will always attract the criminal element".. I agree.

Also, as long as something is illegal, it is the 'bad guys' that will take it up. The upstanding tax paying citizen with much to lose

will not become involved in anything illegal (ie running Agency). So for now, I think that is partly why people shy away from Agencies.

[not to mention the myriad of other reasons that have already been discussed] .

Pimp = force. Intimidation. Fraud. Deceit. Coercion. Blackmail. Threat.

Agency = can be benevolent in which case could be a good launching pad for new providers, or could be as bad as pimp.

How can you tell the difference from the outside ???

Solution :

Legalise. Tax. Regulate. Transparency and accountability.

I have no agenda first of all.
If you would like we can talk about "best milk brand" , yet , I have no interest myself in talking about those things than have nothing to do with sex industry.
As I said in my previous post, I did ask many clients about the difference and simple they said "I dont know" .
Should I not talk about agencies because I will be accused of running one?! Silly, as if I would do it I would not come here and talk about.
To ask the new law to regulate agencies first of all we must agree with them . As far as I am concerned, everything starts from her/us and it is stupid to expect people to see it different when we do not.
An agency who forced/coerce escorts it is a pimp.
Agree with the rest of your post, no worries, we are good.

[Rachel Divine]

It clearly says solicits Rachel...

http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/pimp

[UKHeather]

http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/pimp

Same thing really then

[Rachel Divine]

Reason sams stickey thread is not up for discussion is because this has been all discussed in the other thread.

As to you actually agreeing with the rest of my thread I'm in shock.

I dont think we said all in the other thread, people were jumping and moaning at the agencies being defended , therefore we did not touch some subjects properly. We can try and do it on this one.
Sam did agreed with this thread , so, no worries.

As I said before I agree with posts, not people.

[Violette]

No, thats not always the definition of a pimp. A pimp can be many things.

A pimp is someone who finds customers for a prostitute; a procurer and profits or takes a cut from prostitutes. Not all pimps force women to sell sex. A fact highlighted by your latter comment that agencies don't always control escorts by force and abuse.

Correct, they should not be all painted with the same brush.

Asking the government to regulate agencies is a trap set by Ruhama, they will destroy the argument that regulating agencies is good, why? because Ruhama uses evidene by Dutch police that legalisation of brothels had expanded the sex trade for traffickers and criminals, sex tourists etc. Which lead to Dutch police closing down around a hundred brothels in Amsterdam.

Regulation of agencies in Ireland is probably never going to happen in Ireland as long as Ruhama are seen as the main voice for matters regarding prostitution. They are used to train Gardai and PSNI on issues regarding prostitution crimes, which is quite bizarre to say the least.

Pushing an argument that consenting adults should not be criminalised is perhaps better argument than calling for legalisation of brothels, something that Ruhama are going to openly condemn with evidence cited from respected police forces.

Why do I feel like I am in the movie Groundhog Day? I keep having déjà vu. Sam should be along soon, and oh darling Queenie will pipe up, and then we will go around in a circle, until at about page 80, it will get locked, to only have a different variation on the subject repeated again tomorrow. I predict street walking vs. parlours coming up for debate.

[diannasweet]

TLDR could u resume ur post Rachel in order to understand what u really look for from this thread.....

[Rachel Divine]

Same thing really then

No, it is not. "control" it is the important word in the sentence.

[UKHeather]

escort agency
Definitions
noun

an agency where people, esp young women, may be hired to accompany someone for entertainment, etc