Dublin Conference Report from Sweden

[Rachel Divine]

Dunno, Pye and Louise Perrson told a very different story...

But yes, let's keep it civil!

You get me wrong. I shall explain.
The conditions are bad. The law is crazy. Doesnt mean is no work whatsoever.
Outcalls can work fine for example.

Now, in Ireland would be a different story, thats my point.

How many ladies do outcalls to clients they do not know? I for one, I dont ...
Irish men are easily scared and it is true. Police at the door and they want to jump from the 5th floor,I am not joking and with a Swedish model they will stab themselves in my kitchen or start crying...
At the moment it is hard to rent an apartment, think it changed after the primetime. Now, with that law will be impossible if landlords are criminalized ...
From indoors it moved to outdoors, can work fine in Sweden , I wonder how many escorts will do it in Ireland ... hmm...

[LaBelleThatcher]

You get me wrong. I shall explain.
The conditions are bad. The law is crazy. Doesnt mean is no work whatsoever.
Outcalls can work fine for example.

Now, in Ireland would be a different story, thats my point.

How many ladies do outcalls to clients they do not know? I for one, I dont ...
Irish men are easily scared and it is true. Police at the door and they want to jump from the 5th floor,I am not joking and with a Swedish model they will stab themselves in my kitchen or start crying...
At the moment it is hard to rent an apartment, think it changed after the primetime. Now, with that law will be impossible if landlords are criminalized ...
From indoors it moved to outdoors, can work fine in Sweden , I wonder how many escorts will do it in Ireland ... hmm...

I knew you must have a practical basis for what you were saying Rachel.

[Rachel Divine]

Brock,
""The more risky clients would be all thats left, which increases potential danger for the sex workers of course. The safer more decent clients would reduce the times they visit sex workers or just stop visiting them altogether ""
I agree , of course.
Yet , that doesnt mean there is no work in Sweden.. I must do a trip to that country and see it for myself, talk to clients how they feel about it..

Any contact for Sweden, anyone?!

[LaBelleThatcher]

Brock,
""The more risky clients would be all thats left, which increases potential danger for the sex workers of course. The safer more decent clients would reduce the times they visit sex workers or just stop visiting them altogether ""
I agree , of course.
Yet , that doesnt mean there is no work in Sweden.. I must do a trip to that country and see it for myself, talk to clients how they feel about it..

Any contact for Sweden, anyone?!

I pm you a contact

[milkman]

FAO Brock :
Close to half the governments of Sweden and Norway are female, they are intolerant towards prostitution, probably because they hate the idea that a prostitute can have a higher salary than them.
Legislative powers in america are held overwhelming by MEN - yet 49 out of 50 states list prostitution as an illegal act.So why do you think in the cases of Norway & Sweden that the pro-criminalistion political view is exclusively a FEMALE mentality?

Labour womens opinion on the sex trade is balanced?
Do you think Labour MENs opinion on the sex trade is balanced? Can you list me a few labour men who have a 'balanced' view to the sex industry please?You repeatedly seem to let the male politicians get a free pass when it comes to these issues.Remember, political parties are populated heavily in the male's favour.

She(Mary White) was the minority female presence in the seanad that was against rushed proposals of criminalising clients, she also said she does not condone prostitution. Yet you think she is some sort of messiah? The majority of female politicans there were pro - criminalisation of the sex trade and especially the criminalisation of sex workers clients.
Mary White was the minority FEMALE AND MALE presence in the seanad etc ETC.... -- how many MALE speakers in the seanad spoke in favour of her contribution?So why not castigate the men as well as the women.After all,they're in the majority.
I don't actually know anything enough about Mary White's political record to suggest that she's any messiah - she's just my example on this thread to debunk your ludicrous assertion that 'politics and vaginas don't mix' - here was a woman (yes, an actual woman!!) who had enough independent thinking to swim against the tide of her party's pro-criminalisation mantra at risk of party censure - something which you stated that women in politics just were not capable of. Wonder did Norris make any such statements in light of his libertarian views?

Don't get mad when you will find its mostly female politicans that want to remove your human rights, female politicans are the most vocal on the issue at least in Ireland anyway.
My apathy to most politicians and their words make it near impossible for me to get mad at anything they say or do in most issues but , unlike you , i certainly won't be preserving any agitation i do have solely for the female politicians.


Since he is a politican, why did he not speak out against Ruhama and TORL at the press conference if hes so great?
If all these wimmin politicians are so evil as you allude , then why didn't THEY speak out FOR Ruhama and TORL at the press conference???
I suspect the answer to both,is that they weren't invited or the whole prostitution issue is well down their political priorties.Seems like the logical answer to me.

[Half Man and Half Dildo]

Radical feminists are not worthy of my semen.

[SexyHotTv]

Brock,
""The more risky clients would be all thats left, which increases potential danger for the sex workers of course. The safer more decent clients would reduce the times they visit sex workers or just stop visiting them altogether ""
I agree , of course.
Yet , that doesnt mean there is no work in Sweden.. I must do a trip to that country and see it for myself, talk to clients how they feel about it..

Any contact for Sweden, anyone?!

You gonna do pretty well hon, try to do a tour helsinki - stockholm - oslo or oslo - stockholm - helsinki. Charming clients and very generous! Some of them dont speak English thought!

Any tip you fancy to know feel free to pm.

[The Equalizer]

Interesting findings from TORL's own site (FAQ Section).

What They Say (Skewed/Fabricated)
The Facts (Proven)

Prostitution in not just about sex. It is about exploitation, violence and abuse. More than half of UK women in prostitution have been raped and/or seriously sexually assaulted at the hands of pimps and punters; up to 95% of women in street prostitution are problematic drug users; and 68% of women in street prostitution meet the criteria for Post Traumatic Stress Disorder.
This is an argument put forward to depict all clients of sex workers as depraved. In a number of cases where successful convictions were brought against pimps, evidence put forward by clients was a key factor in securing these convictions. This has been verified and confirmed by Police (including An Garda Siochana) in reputable newspapers and on news broadcasts which reported on these cases.

Legalization and total decriminalization of prostitution gives a green light to pimps and traffickers making it easier for them to operate.
Legalization (of prostitution) would afford sex workers/escorts greater Police/Garda protection than they currently have. For instance (in a scenario where prostitution were legalized/totally decriminalized), if some thug (such as a pimp) were to demand money "for protection" from a sex worker, she would be fully entitled to report said lowlife to the Police/Gardai and have them dealt with appropriately. Currently, it is not so straightforward for escorts.

Prostitution can never truly exist underground.
Yes it could. And then it would truly become an industry dominated by scum such as pimps and/or human traffickers. Several illegal trades (such as drugs and bare knuckle/unlicensed boxing) not only exist underground, but they thrive and are run by individuals with very little regard for human life.

[Rachel Divine]

Clients are not criminalised in Helsinki as in Sweden, Noway and Iceland.

Why do you think clients should purchase a service from escorts if its illegal?

If you don't look after your customers, then don't expect your customers to look after yee especially in Ireland if they are named and shamed.

You went to Norway and Sweden and got clients? do they have media naming and shaming clients? no they do not!

As I said , in Ireland wouldnt be only Swedish model would be much more..

[Rachel Divine]

Manolita, makes out it would be the exact same. Which is hard to believe, when Ruhama would use the Swedish model to lobby for more weapons, i.e. name and shaming and so on.

Don't forget that clients who solicit street sex workers are named and shamed.

What makes people think that clients of indoor sex workers won't be named and shamed? Ruhama push for it, and they would have it from the Swedish model.

I am aware of that and I am saying it will be different in Ireland due Ruhama and the ones who follow them..