True Independent Escorts and Agency Escorts

[samlad]

The way you have responded to some of the posters who were not in favour of the Agencies was not fair or considerate of my opinion. That is why it looks like you are trying to sell the idea and not just debate it. This is what I am basing my opinion on.

Yes you are right. From what you have said about the Agencies here in Ireland, I am not comfortable with the way they work and what they offer the girls for the money they get for it. I have absolutely no problem with the Agency girls though, apart from feeling sad that they are in a predicament where they feel they have no better alternative to gain work in this industry.

If the Agencies were made legal, then they would have to offer more competitive rates and offer more in return for their money. I would say that the minute Irish and English girls start to use them, then they may have started to get it right, but there is a reason why Irish and English girls don't use them and it's not just about the legal implications, but because they are exploiting people who are not able to work by themselves.

I don't think Rachel is 'selling' the idea, I think she is just trying to understand why agencies are such a stigma in Ireland. I see people asking where the agencies are in Ireland, and the truth is obvious; they are being driven underground because of the mentality towards them. It is no wonder dodgy pimps are supposedly thriving in this business and everything's a facade, and I do agree with Brock that this mentality is instilled in the minds of clients because of a) NGO 'down with this sort of thing' propaganda and b) there are 'true independents' that play on the extent of the issues.

That is not to say that there aren't dodgy agencies, but likewise people would be surprised that some of the 'truest of independents' have probably also been involved in working for or running agencies themselves. There is nothing wrong with that if all parties are happy with the arrangements, and if this wasn't such a big stigma and agency escorts could work in peace, perhaps they would be open about it. Look at the number of our London agency escort advertisers:

http://www.escort-england.com/p1/8/l...y-escorts.html

And Edinburgh, out of 33 escorts, a third of them are agency:

http://escort-scotland.com/p1/32/edi...y-escorts.html

In Cardiff, out of 37 escorts, 19 are agency:

http://www.escort-wales.com/p1/8/car...y-escorts.html

As someone correctly said before, in Dublin, there are NONE advertising. There are two ways of looking at this; i) 90% of these women are 'dodgy', but it's more likely ii) escorts will be hounded by the media and by the witch-hunt mentality of some posters here. People wonder why they keep using fake pictures too? There are agencies that may circulate profiles, let's not be naive, however these people keep getting caught out using them, so consider that they may be using fake pictures because God forbid their real pictures are publicly labelled as a 'no-go' dodgy escort. I'm not saying it's right, but I do suspect that this plays a major part in this issue. This is also why we mark 'verified' or 'not verified' and advise people to factor their reviews, fake photo reports and verification status.

[samlad]

Also, with agency work, I understand that independent escorts get to pick and chose their clients. My dad drives lorries for a living. He chooses to work for whomever he wishes, but occasionally does agency work to earn extra income. With the agency, he doesn't get to pick and choose his routes, they are given to him. With agency girls, often they are allocated clients, yes, but then again, true independents have to run their own advertising to capture their clients, so it is swings and roundabouts.

[warmcome]

from reading the thread: accomodation (with it's additional bills) is not typical
of UK agencies, whereas it is in Irish agencies. this would explain a difference in rates
retained by said agencies?

[Rachel Divine]

The way you have responded to some of the posters who were not in favour of the Agencies was not fair or considerate of my opinion. That is why it looks like you are trying to sell the idea and not just debate it. This is what I am basing my opinion on.

Yes you are right. From what you have said about the Agencies here in Ireland, I am not comfortable with the way they work and what they offer the girls for the money they get for it. I have absolutely no problem with the Agency girls though, apart from feeling sad that they are in a predicament where they feel they have no better alternative to gain work in this industry.

If the Agencies were made legal, then they would have to offer more competitive rates and offer more in return for their money. I would say that the minute Irish and English girls start to use them, then they may have started to get it right, but there is a reason why Irish and English girls don't use them and it's not just about the legal implications, but because they are exploiting people who are not able to work by themselves.

With English as 2nd language I try to express myself as best I can. I questioned some replies because I dont get why a girl would be great to start with an agency and moan about it when she can manage herself.

Not many Irish girls work for agencies here, yet were some. I have seen reviews and profiles of Irish escorts agencies.

The fee might be high , will not argue over it , there is little choice and a factor on the fee, now, agencies do not advertise as such because of the media. Not me, you, client will know now who is who and we, media have part of fault for it.

Would be much easier for them if people could accept and stop moaning about agencies. I think they would advertise as such and we could see who is who.
By we, I mean customers as well.

[Rachel Divine]

I don't think Rachel is 'selling' the idea, I think she is just trying to understand why agencies are such a stigma in Ireland. I see people asking where the agencies are in Ireland, and the truth is obvious; they are being driven underground because of the mentality towards them. It is no wonder dodgy pimps are supposedly thriving in this business and everything's a facade, and I do agree with Brock that this mentality is instilled in the minds of clients because of a) NGO 'down with this sort of thing' propaganda and b) there are 'true independents' that play on the extent of the issues.

That is not to say that there aren't dodgy agencies, but likewise people would be surprised that some of the 'truest of independents' have probably also been involved in working for or running agencies themselves. There is nothing wrong with that if all parties are happy with the arrangements, and if this wasn't such a big stigma and agency escorts could work in peace, perhaps they would be open about it. Look at the number of our London agency escort advertisers:

http://www.escort-england.com/p1/8/l...y-escorts.html

And Edinburgh, out of 33 escorts, a third of them are agency:

http://escort-scotland.com/p1/32/edi...y-escorts.html

In Cardiff, out of 37 escorts, 19 are agency:

http://www.escort-wales.com/p1/8/car...y-escorts.html

As someone correctly said before, in Dublin, there are NONE advertising. There are two ways of looking at this; i) 90% of these women are 'dodgy', but it's more likely ii) escorts will be hounded by the media and by the witch-hunt mentality of some posters here. People wonder why they keep using fake pictures too? There are agencies that may circulate profiles, let's not be naive, however these people keep getting caught out using them, so consider that they may be using fake pictures because God forbid their real pictures are publicly labelled as a 'no-go' dodgy escort. I'm not saying it's right, but I do suspect that this plays a major part in this issue. This is also why we mark 'verified' or 'not verified' and advise people to factor their reviews, fake photo reports and verification status.

It is okay for them, as they make money out of it and it is not okay for others.

Only if some customers could read and not only look at the pictures and get a hard on

[Rachel Divine]

from reading the thread: accomodation (with it's additional bills) is not typical
of UK agencies, whereas it is in Irish agencies. this would explain a difference in rates
retained by said agencies?

Yes, it does explain.

[Rachel Divine]

Agencies did advertise as such at some point and for many years. Was it legal then? No, it was not.

"""due to being hounded out by the media, Ruhama, clients and even independent sex workers"""

Independent escorts who once did work for an agency, independent escorts who did run / manage/ still running an agency.
Clients are not forced to stay with a lady if the one on the phone has great English and the escort he meets has none.
If they stay it is nobody s fault, only theirs.
Ruhama and media have to sell and nothing better than drama.

""Due to the nature of the sex trade, many escorts are not going to put up their real pictures in a public setting.""
Yet a foreign escort, new profile it is crucified for it..

""People need to Get out of cloud cuckoo land and just accept that not all sex workers can become truly independent and sensational as the golden standard wanted by clients all the time, perfect english, no agencies, real pictures, all the services, low price etc.""
Doesnt suit the agenda in many cases..
Sometimes it is not in order to get work, it is for moaning and making itself feel superior, honest and so on..

[Curvaceous Kate]

from reading the thread: accomodation (with it's additional bills) is not typical
of UK agencies, whereas it is in Irish agencies. this would explain a difference in rates
retained by said agencies?

Agencies in West Yorkshire where my sources come from do provide accomodation for the girls to work from. They pay a third of their earnings. I can not speak for any other area in England.

[Patricia]

I need to read this whole thread over and reply to some bits, but one point I want to make is, it is not the law.

The law on agencies is very similar in UK and Ireland. Agencies in Ireland are no more illegal than agencies in the UK are.

I'm not sure it is Garda either. Now, because there are so few agencies, advertising as an agency does make you stand out and you may attract Garda attention, but it wasn't like this for many years, when there were many agencies advertised it wasn't the case that Garda was going after them all the time.

[Curvaceous Kate]

I don't think Rachel is 'selling' the idea, I think she is just trying to understand why agencies are such a stigma in Ireland. I see people asking where the agencies are in Ireland, and the truth is obvious; they are being driven underground because of the mentality towards them. It is no wonder dodgy pimps are supposedly thriving in this business and everything's a facade, and I do agree with Brock that this mentality is instilled in the minds of clients because of a) NGO 'down with this sort of thing' propaganda and b) there are 'true independents' that play on the extent of the issues.

That is not to say that there aren't dodgy agencies, but likewise people would be surprised that some of the 'truest of independents' have probably also been involved in working for or running agencies themselves. There is nothing wrong with that if all parties are happy with the arrangements, and if this wasn't such a big stigma and agency escorts could work in peace, perhaps they would be open about it. Look at the number of our London agency escort advertisers:

http://www.escort-england.com/p1/8/l...y-escorts.html

And Edinburgh, out of 33 escorts, a third of them are agency:

http://escort-scotland.com/p1/32/edi...y-escorts.html

In Cardiff, out of 37 escorts, 19 are agency:

http://www.escort-wales.com/p1/8/car...y-escorts.html

As someone correctly said before, in Dublin, there are NONE advertising. There are two ways of looking at this; i) 90% of these women are 'dodgy', but it's more likely ii) escorts will be hounded by the media and by the witch-hunt mentality of some posters here. People wonder why they keep using fake pictures too? There are agencies that may circulate profiles, let's not be naive, however these people keep getting caught out using them, so consider that they may be using fake pictures because God forbid their real pictures are publicly labelled as a 'no-go' dodgy escort. I'm not saying it's right, but I do suspect that this plays a major part in this issue. This is also why we mark 'verified' or 'not verified' and advise people to factor their reviews, fake photo reports and verification status.

Which is precisely my point. The thread is meant to be about 'True Independent Escorts' and when people have said that they don't consider Agency Escorts to be Truely Independent the shit hit the fan and alsorts of accusations were being made. The point is clear that anyone who works for an Agency is under their wing and therefore is NOT 'Truely Independent'.

Why does the topic keep deviating to the merits of Agencies?