True Independent Escorts and Agency Escorts

[Doll 34 DD]

why is independance so important in the sex industry?
what about barbers, plumbers etc?

jezuss hun what a quiestion?looks like u never hear about woman forced to do what they dont want and with who they dont want!!

[warmcome]

jezuss hun what a quiestion?looks like u never hear about woman forced to do what they dont want and with who they dont want!!

heard much more about it than i seen or experienced, Daria.

[samlad]

An excellent thread, Rachel.

The concept of 'independent' in the sense of escorting is a grey area in my opinion. Some people think an 'independent' escort should be one that works on her own free will. That is fair enough. Some state that an 'independent' escort should not have to hand over their money to anyone else. This is where is gets blurry for me.

We have all seen the threads about escorts having to fork out for the costs of accommodation (say an average of €100 per night for arguments sake), then flight/travel costs, food, cost of an advertisement (€100 a week on E-I or €70 for three days). So let's say that an escort advertises for a week; that's €700 rent, €100 advertising, let's say €200-€300 for travel costs and about €100-€150 to feed themselves (I'm only guessing a ball-park figure here by the way). That would be up to €1150 in expenses. If an escort sees around an average of three clients a day at €200 an hour, that's €600 a day, right? Some days there may be five 30 min clients, others there may be four or five 1 hour clients; it's not set in stone. So let's say that it's even €400 a day, multiply that by 7 days, there is around €2100 made in the week, minus expenses, an escort is looking at a profit of about €950-€1000 a week (give or take). Again, all hypothetical, so please don't hang me for it. Plus, many escorts pay taxes too

Now look at an agency escort. From what we know, it is standard for an agency worker to pay 50% of their income for services rendered. Travel, accommodation and other expenses taken care of. Many of these escorts don't speak English as a first language, nor do they know Ireland very well or how to get around, or they need someone to create their profiles for them or take bookings for them. If they see the same amount of clients as these 'independent' escorts, aren't they earning more or less the same without the hassle of trying to do all this stuff themselves? What if they are happy to pay for these services? Why should they be condemned for it?

You hear these stories of children in America being brought up by their nannies because their parents are far too busy to look after them. I've read these stories about some of these children only being able to speak Spanish because their nannies are Hispanic and don't speak much English. These American parents think their child has a speech impediment or are deaf, but they speak perfectly, just in another language. The point of this really is that parents have to work so they will hire someone (an agent) to look after their children while they are doing so; if there is nobody to watch the children, the parents cannot work so they don't make any money. It's the same thing.

Why don't agency escorts advertise as agency then? I agree that they should advertise as agency if they are agency, but is it any wonder why they don't? It is common knowledge that MOST 'independent' escorts have at some point worked for an agency themselves, and that is fine, everyone has to start somewhere, right? If an escort works in Ireland under an agency, they are publicly hanged, drawn and quartered by the public and by the media. The issue is this; clients assume that agency = coerced and trafficked. This is NOT always the case, in fact, it is not the case MOST of the time.

This is a problem we see all the time. "She uses fake photos, so she is trafficked/she is pimped/she is agency". It doesn't mean an escort is trafficked! How many cases do we actually know about of any escort that was legitimately trafficked AND forced to work against their will? There are cases of 'trafficking', but this is usually when an escort is caught out working with other escorts and are shipped back home.

So, in my opinion, there is a difference between being 'independent' and 'thinking independently'. An agency escort may make the independent choice of working for an agency. Agency does not always equal trafficked or coerced. Technically, if someone else pays for a ticket for a travelling escort, they are 'trafficking' her. It is a very grey area and the media have a field-day spinning that one. This is the stigma that is being conditioned all the time and it's time that people thought more about it before rhyming off the usual template of common misconception.

[funlover12]

An excellent thread, Rachel.

The concept of 'independent' in the sense of escorting is a grey area in my opinion. Some people think an 'independent' escort should be one that works on her own free will. That is fair enough. Some state that an 'independent' escort should not have to hand over their money to anyone else. This is where is gets blurry for me.

We have all seen the threads about escorts having to fork out for the costs of accommodation (say an average of €100 per night for arguments sake), then flight/travel costs, food, cost of an advertisement (€100 a week on E-I or €70 for three days). So let's say that an escort advertises for a week; that's €700 rent, €100 advertising, let's say €200-€300 for travel costs and about €100-€150 to feed themselves (I'm only guessing a ball-park figure here by the way). That would be up to €1150 in expenses. If an escort sees around an average of three clients a day at €200 an hour, that's €600 a day, right? Some days there may be five 30 min clients, others there may be four or five 1 hour clients; it's not set in stone. So let's say that it's even €400 a day, multiply that by 7 days, there is around €2100 made in the week, minus expenses, an escort is looking at a profit of about €950-€1000 a week (give or take). Again, all hypothetical, so please don't hang me for it. Plus, many escorts pay taxes too

Now look at an agency escort. From what we know, it is standard for an agency worker to pay 50% of their income for services rendered. Travel, accommodation and other expenses taken care of. Many of these escorts don't speak English as a first language, nor do they know Ireland very well or how to get around, or they need someone to create their profiles for them or take bookings for them. If they see the same amount of clients as these 'independent' escorts, aren't they earning more or less the same without the hassle of trying to do all this stuff themselves? What if they are happy to pay for these services? Why should they be condemned for it?

You hear these stories of children in America being brought up by their nannies because their parents are far too busy to look after them. I've read these stories about some of these children only being able to speak Spanish because their nannies are Hispanic and don't speak much English. These American parents think their child has a speech impediment or are deaf, but they speak perfectly, just in another language. The point of this really is that parents have to work so they will hire someone (an agent) to look after their children while they are doing so; if there is nobody to watch the children, the parents cannot work so they don't make any money. It's the same thing.

Why don't agency escorts advertise as agency then? I agree that they should advertise as agency if they are agency, but is it any wonder why they don't? It is common knowledge that MOST 'independent' escorts have at some point worked for an agency themselves, and that is fine, everyone has to start somewhere, right? If an escort works in Ireland under an agency, they are publicly hanged, drawn and quartered by the public and by the media. The issue is this; clients assume that agency = coerced and trafficked. This is NOT always the case, in fact, it is not the case MOST of the time.

This is a problem we see all the time. "She uses fake photos, so she is trafficked/she is pimped/she is agency". It doesn't mean an escort is trafficked! How many cases do we actually know about of any escort that was legitimately trafficked AND forced to work against their will? There are cases of 'trafficking', but this is usually when an escort is caught out working with other escorts and are shipped back home.

So, in my opinion, there is a difference between being 'independent' and 'thinking independently'. An agency escort may make the independent choice of working for an agency. Agency does not always equal trafficked or coerced. Technically, if someone else pays for a ticket for a travelling escort, they are 'trafficking' her. It is a very grey area and the media have a field-day spinning that one. This is the stigma that is being conditioned all the time and it's time that people thought more about it before rhyming off the usual template of common misconception.

well said sam, pretty much my thoughts exactly, I mean look as escort england, there are TONS more escorts advertising as agency escorts!

for some reason it is completely the opposite here now why is that?

agencies are like people, there are good ones and bad ones but most girls in ireland and I mean by a long way are actually agency, agencies dont give out free accomodation and advertising for nothing, so the agency expects the girls to work to set times.

there really need to be a breakdown of the stigma and the joining together of agency = trafficked and forced to work

[Rachel Divine]

An excellent thread, Rachel.

The concept of 'independent' in the sense of escorting is a grey area in my opinion. Some people think an 'independent' escort should be one that works on her own free will. That is fair enough. Some state that an 'independent' escort should not have to hand over their money to anyone else. This is where is gets blurry for me.

We have all seen the threads about escorts having to fork out for the costs of accommodation (say an average of €100 per night for arguments sake), then flight/travel costs, food, cost of an advertisement (€100 a week on E-I or €70 for three days). So let's say that an escort advertises for a week; that's €700 rent, €100 advertising, let's say €200-€300 for travel costs and about €100-€150 to feed themselves (I'm only guessing a ball-park figure here by the way). That would be up to €1150 in expenses. If an escort sees around an average of three clients a day at €200 an hour, that's €600 a day, right? Some days there may be five 30 min clients, others there may be four or five 1 hour clients; it's not set in stone. So let's say that it's even €400 a day, multiply that by 7 days, there is around €2100 made in the week, minus expenses, an escort is looking at a profit of about €950-€1000 a week (give or take). Again, all hypothetical, so please don't hang me for it. Plus, many escorts pay taxes too

Now look at an agency escort. From what we know, it is standard for an agency worker to pay 50% of their income for services rendered. Travel, accommodation and other expenses taken care of. Many of these escorts don't speak English as a first language, nor do they know Ireland very well or how to get around, or they need someone to create their profiles for them or take bookings for them. If they see the same amount of clients as these 'independent' escorts, aren't they earning more or less the same without the hassle of trying to do all this stuff themselves? What if they are happy to pay for these services? Why should they be condemned for it?

You hear these stories of children in America being brought up by their nannies because their parents are far too busy to look after them. I've read these stories about some of these children only being able to speak Spanish because their nannies are Hispanic and don't speak much English. These American parents think their child has a speech impediment or are deaf, but they speak perfectly, just in another language. The point of this really is that parents have to work so they will hire someone (an agent) to look after their children while they are doing so; if there is nobody to watch the children, the parents cannot work so they don't make any money. It's the same thing.

Why don't agency escorts advertise as agency then? I agree that they should advertise as agency if they are agency, but is it any wonder why they don't? It is common knowledge that MOST 'independent' escorts have at some point worked for an agency themselves, and that is fine, everyone has to start somewhere, right? If an escort works in Ireland under an agency, they are publicly hanged, drawn and quartered by the public and by the media. The issue is this; clients assume that agency = coerced and trafficked. This is NOT always the case, in fact, it is not the case MOST of the time.

This is a problem we see all the time. "She uses fake photos, so she is trafficked/she is pimped/she is agency". It doesn't mean an escort is trafficked! How many cases do we actually know about of any escort that was legitimately trafficked AND forced to work against their will? There are cases of 'trafficking', but this is usually when an escort is caught out working with other escorts and are shipped back home.

So, in my opinion, there is a difference between being 'independent' and 'thinking independently'. An agency escort may make the independent choice of working for an agency. Agency does not always equal trafficked or coerced. Technically, if someone else pays for a ticket for a travelling escort, they are 'trafficking' her. It is a very grey area and the media have a field-day spinning that one. This is the stigma that is being conditioned all the time and it's time that people thought more about it before rhyming off the usual template of common misconception.

Totally agree. Best post on this thread (after mine of course )..!

If people can read it, I think I am done here...

[Rachel Divine]

In my opinion is an independent escort is the one that doesn't work with any agency/pimp... doesn't give any commission to anyone.

She's working in her own apartment/ hired apartment/ hotels. She does whatever she wants, she goes wherever she wants, she decides what she does with her own earnings (boyfriend/ husband/ kids/ family/ bills etc). Works when she wants or feels like, stops when is too tired or is not in the mood. (including holidays or days off without advertising)

Exactly the word independent, explains it... at least for me.

INDEPENDENT
adjective1.not influenced or controlled by others in matters of opinion,conduct, etc.; thinking or acting for oneself: an independentthinker.

2.not subject to another's authority or jurisdiction;autonomous; free: an independent businessman.

3.not influenced by the thought or action of others:independent research.

4.not dependent; not depending or contingent upon somethingelse for existence, operation, etc.

5.not relying on another or others for aid or support.

Having a bf to maintain it is equal to a pimp, the only difference it is that you are not forced.
A kid at home it is worse than a pimp..

Working for an agency you do what you want, go where you want, you decide what to do with your money. The only thing is you have to work from x hour to x hour. If you do not want to work for whatever reason, a good agency will not force you to work.
From my experience , I worked with good agencies and what I write here is most from my own experience not what I have heard.

I am influenced all the time on my decisions where to work by many factors.
I think the law is a different in North than in South of Ireland, as it is in Ireland comparing other countries, therefore I must adapt to the country s law...
I rely on others for support and I will give an example, simple, on an hotel availability in order to get a room and be able to work.

May I ask how did you arrived to Ireland and started to work?

[Luna Nueva]

Having a bf to maintain it is equal to a pimp, the only difference it is that you are not forced.
A kid at home it is worse than a pimp..

Working for an agency you do what you want, go where you want, you decide what to do with your money. The only thing is you have to work from x hour to x hour. If you do not want to work for whatever reason, a good agency will not force you to work.
From my experience , I worked with good agencies and what I write here is most from my own experience not what I have heard.

I am influenced all the time on my decisions where to work by many factors.
I think the law is a different in North than in South of Ireland, as it is in Ireland comparing other countries, therefore I must adapt to the country s law...
I rely on others for support and I will give an example, simple, on an hotel availability in order to get a room and be able to work.

May I ask how did you arrived to Ireland and started to work?

If you help a familly member or a b-friend, or a kid... whatever... i think is because you decided so. So IT'S YOUR OWN DECISION. When it comes with a pimp or agency it's a bit different.

I am helping my family since i started working in Ireland, actually that was the reason i came here, as i said in some previous posts.

I did work for agency at the beginning, i would of come alone, independent, but never worked as an escort before so i didn't know how things are working.

I had to give them 25% of my earnings, and they would find accommodation (that we had to pay for). After a while, i understood what an escort means, had enough regular clients, contacts... etc.. and i didn't need them anymore.

I just told them i will be fine alone, and I left. In some other cases they would make you pay for it, or even try to stop you working. But i made them understand there is no way forcing me doing something i don't want. We are living in the XXI century... I knew the laws, my advantages...

Now as independent i work if i want... when i used to work for them i had a schedule, targets to reach. And had to take every client calling me. Now i can do a selection, and meet only the clients I trust/ i like.

And helping the close ones, i don't see it like something that you MUST DO, ts something that you WANT TO do.

For me freedom is on top of everything else, and no body will never take that away from me. Because i am my own master and i decide what i want to do ... with my life and decisions

[Rocker123]

In my (all be it ignorant) opinion, an escort who must hand over an agreed PERCENTAGE of her earnings to another person/organisation isn't independent. So as an Independent Escort, you pay for your advertising, your hotel/apartment..... but the price you pay is fixed, not related to your income.

[Curvaceous Kate]

In my (all be it ignorant) opinion, an escort who must hand over an agreed PERCENTAGE of her earnings to another person/organisation isn't independent. So as an Independent Escort, you pay for your advertising, your hotel/apartment..... but the price you pay is fixed, not related to your income.

I was with you till the highlighted bit. What do you mean by fixed?

[Patricia]

One that is not required to hand over ANY portion of her earnings.

But all escorts have to pay third parties, for advertising, accommodation etc, is there something different about paying someone to take your calls or arrange accommodation for you, where do you draw the line?