Straight from the horses mouth.A post i spotted from one of the best Amercian coaches at the moment.About sprinting.:)
I can't remember the response you are referring to; however, the motor and physiological structure of sprinting is specific to the distance covered, the athlete's speed potential, and the bioenergetic fitness level of the athlete.
Regarding the 100m event: this is my breakdown as it applies to most sub-10sec sprinters:
Start (0-10m)
Acceleration 1 (10-30m)
Acceleration 2 (30-50m)
Maximum Velocity (50-70m)
Speed Endurance (70-100m)
The start and acceleration 1 phases, from a motor standpoint, transition from starting/explosive abilities into the acceleration 2 and max V phases that require elastic/reactive abilities coupled with relaxation which is a unique ability unto itself.
The ability to accelerate, within the context of sprinting, is interesting because it differs from acceleration strength which by definition occurs right around the beginning of actual movement.
The race finalizes with the physiological environment during speed endurance that breaches the purely alactic zone that, depending on the bioenergetic fitness level of the athlete, may vary between alactic capacity and anaerobic-lactic power.
Not to be forgotten is the technical requirements necessary to maximize the motor potential.
Note to my fellow coaches of physical preparation, regardless if you are employed by professional, collegiate, or school age organizations, if you are not qualified to properly instruct sprint training to your field based athletes- you are doing them a great disservice.
It was mainly Bolts stride that makes him get better times and thats why he says Bolt needs to be analysed seperatly (in a seperate post he says Bolt needs to be analysed seperately to other sub 10 sec sprinters.)..No where in this post does it mention stride.However it mentions alot of the things i spoke about as far as accleration goes
Enjoy,
Westside.
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26-10-09, 22:40WestsidexFor Ber and Luther
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26-10-09, 22:51lutherAs I suspected.........
You completely missed the point on that........
So at the risk of boring the tits off the entire forum, I'll try to clear this up as quickly as I can.........
Do you think someone who, fully grown at 5 feet tall, with the best training, coaching, diet etc. etc. etc. that can be given to them, and with them holding nothing back themselves could ever set a world record time at 100m...........
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26-10-09, 22:56WestsidexWho knowsthe part your referring to being genetics is the one trait that the others can compromise for.The others being the right coaching,hard work,the right recoveryt,the right drugs and the right diet.Genetics is a bullshit excuse by ppl who are either too lazy to get the job done or have a low athletic self esteem.Quote:
Originally Posted by luther
Genetics = bullshit excuse,
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26-10-09, 23:11ninebythree
I didnt get in to this debate the last time , because to be truthful it has nothing to do with shagging escorts.
But as for genetics it has a lot to with it and its not a bullshit excuse
Bolt takes 40 to 41 strides in a 100-meter race. Walter Dix, the 5-foot-9 bronze medalist, takes 47.
Genetics decided that dix takes 47 strides
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26-10-09, 23:11lutherSomebody pleaseeeeeeeeeee.........
Put me in the recovery position...........
http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/thumb_1...17028m8Nfu.jpg
You just don't get.............
While what you're saying is admiradle and all, I'm afraid because of genetics, this person would be limited by physics.......
So the answer is no....... this couldn't person couldn't achieve this...........
A person at 5 feet tall, while being healthy, and assuming their height isn't a consequence of a disability, disease, injury etc., are this height because of genetics. And this will limit them physically, somewhat in strength, although this certainly can be overcome through training etc., but more so in stride, where a taller person will always have that advantage. Now I'm sorry, but there is no amount of training etc that can overcome that. That's just a physical advantage the taller person will have...........as a result of genetics..........
And before anybody says it..................I already know.......
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26-10-09, 23:22WestsidexYepbut and heres the part you dont get.There are so many aspects to sprinting ,as can be seen by the initial post,that the genetic disadvantage can be made up for.If what your saying is true then all of the best sprinters would be the tallest sprinters as well and that isnt the case except for Bolt.Quote:
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26-10-09, 23:54ForrestThe sprint between Ferdinand & Torres yesterday, and previously between Ferdinand & Bellamy, shows that being taller doesn't automatically mean you are faster.Quote:
Originally Posted by Westsidex
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27-10-09, 00:00berwrongI never said that its westie said that it was because that Bolt was taller and that he had a longerQuote:
Originally Posted by Forrest
stride he was faster,there is much more to Genetics than height, u have muscle mass,lung capacity
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27-10-09, 00:06rimmerguy
Not to mention the % of fast twitch muscle fibres to slow twitch ones , and what type of fast twitch muscle fibres you have , along with numerous other things that i could ramble on about except for the fact that i'm goin to bed now
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27-10-09, 01:27lutherNo.........I'm just using height as the most visable example.........Quote:
Originally Posted by Westsidex
Listen, your superman attitude is great, it really is, I believe it myself, everybody should. Everybody should believe that they can achieve anything, overcome any obstacle, be all they can be and more......
Sadly that just isn't the case where something like this is concerned..........
As I've said before, as an example, basketball players. Tall people make better basketball players because they are more physically suited to the sport, because of genetics........ -
27-10-09, 08:50MouseyHeh heh heh :DQuote:
Originally Posted by ninebythree
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27-10-09, 09:28WestsidexExactlyJohnson was a way more explosive sprinter than Bolt but Bolt has a faster time.Why?His stride.no i know ppl are going to say i contradicted myself here but when someone comes along with genetics as an excuse and they use a guy 5 ft tall wanting to play basketball??????I mean common.Genetics do count and to most (who dont fall in the extreames of some of the egs that ppl use) genetics are nothing more than a bullshit excuse.Look at nicegirls.Using his low testosterone levels as an excuse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Forrest
they have being far better sprinters than Bolt.Between his stride and lean at the finish he gains a load.
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27-10-09, 09:30WestsidexSosomeone tell me what weekend footie has to do with escorts?Quote:
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maybe balls in common,
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27-10-09, 09:38WestsidexWellUsing a guy 5 ft as an example is sort if nonsense because how many guys are 5 ft?Now how many of these guys would develope an inclination to be serious of sport?Now how many of the few left will choose sprinting as their sport?Quote:
Originally Posted by luther
Tall ppl make better basketball players when it comes to a difference of a ft but when you have two guys,one 6-8 and the other 6-3 then the 6-3 guy will sabotage himself if he uses an excuse of genetics.
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27-10-09, 10:09experienced punter
boring thread....
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27-10-09, 11:15lutherLike talking to a..............
http://www.somethingyoushouldread.co...l_tileable.jpg
What's that got to do with it??? Some people are this height.........Quote:
Originally Posted by Westsidex
And why do you think that is West???Quote:
Originally Posted by Westsidex
And why do you think that is???Quote:
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So you admit that the tall person has and advantage here, and will probably be a better basketball player???Quote:
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27-10-09, 11:41lutherHere's a rough list of the record holders/breakers since 1988.....
9.92 Carl Lewis United States Seoul, South Korea September 24, 1988
9.90 Leroy Burrell United States New York, USA June 14, 1991
9.86 Carl Lewis United States Tokyo, Japan August 25, 1991
9.85 Leroy Burrell United States Lausanne, Switzerland July 6, 1994
9.84 Donovan Bailey Canada Atlanta, USA July 27, 1996
9.79 Maurice Greene United States Athens, Greece June 16, 1999
9.78 Tim Montgomery United States Paris, France September 14, 2002
9.768 Asafa Powell Jamaica Athens, Greece June 14, 2005
9.766 Justin Gatlin United States Doha, Qatar May 12, 2006
9.763 Asafa Powell Jamaica Gateshead, England June 11, 2006
9.762 Zürich, Switzerland August 18, 2006
9.74 Asafa Powell Jamaica Rieti, Italy September 9, 2007
9.72 Usain Bolt Jamaica New York, US May 31, 2008
9.683 Beijing, China August 16, 2008
9.578 Berlin, Germany August 16, 2009
Can anybody see any similarities between these men, genetically??? -
27-10-09, 13:01Alec Horansize isnt everything
rabbits are small but them fuckers are quicker than humans.....
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27-10-09, 13:16westcorkladLet me take a wild guess here. Would Ben Johnson be one of them.?Quote:
Originally Posted by Westsidex
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27-10-09, 13:18WestsidexI dont even entertain genetic bs excuses
Pathetic to be honest.
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27-10-09, 13:22lutherJust like..........Your answer...........Quote:
Originally Posted by Westsidex
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27-10-09, 13:23WestsidexI stand over what i sayQuote:
Originally Posted by luther
Genetics on 99% of cases is used as an excuse by ppl.Drugs are the other big excuse.
Excuses,
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27-10-09, 13:29WestsidexI tell you the similaritieswhile everyone else goes out partying these guys are resting because they have to run the next day.Whole everyone else sits on their arses watching tv these guys are getting or doing whatever is neccessary to improve their game by .0000001 %.While everyone else sits back and watches these guys in awe,these guys watch the other top guys and say why not.While everyone else stops when they get hurt or tired these guys bandage up and keep going.while everyone else stuffs themselves with crisps,drink and other heart friendly foods these guys are eating clean good food.While everyone else wonders when the day will come when they can make a difference these guys see it before it happens.Quote:
Originally Posted by luther
This is applicable to all top ppl.they put the work in,believe in themselves and take it for granted that they are shit hot.You wont hear them saying anything about genetics or making excuses.
They do what it takes,
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27-10-09, 13:50lutherYes West.......While all these things are imortant, as I've said and agreed with you on these points already, there are other factors and limitations......Quote:
Originally Posted by Westsidex
Some people are physically limited because of their genetics. I'm sorry, whether that like it or not, they are, and no amount of training, self belief, dedication etc etc can change that. It's physics, and if you can't see or admit that than don't bother to reply........ -
27-10-09, 13:53lutherThen why doesn't one of them do what it takes..........To run 100m in 8 seconds???.......Or 7 seconds???.........Quote:
Originally Posted by Westsidex
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27-10-09, 14:00WestsidexWellthere have being lots of cases where ppl have reached the tops of their areas of interest despite have limitations.OJ Simpson had rickets and perminently bowed legs and despite all of that went on to break Jim Browns records in American Football.He broke all of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by luther
I could go on but we'll agree to differ,
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27-10-09, 14:24ninebythree
what about rudy of notre dame fame:D:D
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27-10-09, 14:27lutherOr.....
The little engine that could......:rolleyes:..........:D:D:D
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27-10-09, 14:32ninebythreeQuote:
Originally Posted by luther
chuga chuga chuga:D
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27-10-09, 14:37lutherYa........
I think I can, I think I can, I think I can.............
Ah fcuk it.......... I can't...........:o
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27-10-09, 20:31WestsidexInteresting
According to Charlie Franics, the optimal sprinting size is 5' 9" to 5' 11" and 165-185 pounds.
If you dont know who Charlie Francis is then google him under sports.
Interesting,
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27-10-09, 21:05lutherAt the risk of sounding as sad as you.........I'll reply again anyway.........Quote:
Originally Posted by Westsidex
Height was just an example I used..............