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Victor Mature
21-02-11, 14:45
Have just had an exchange (see my Reviews) with a lady who didn't like what I said about her.

I pride myself on being fair and out of over 40 reviews, only 3 were negative (and for good reasons in each case). When looking for an escort I rely heavily on previous reviews where available - but over the last 6 months I've been burned a few times by assuming that reviews were accurate and genuine. For example someone says "great kisser" and then she doesn't do much more than a brush of the lips - and I don't smoke and usually use mouthwash beforehand just to be sure there is no reason not to....

Nowadays I just have reviewers I know I can trust and I'll ignore the rave reviews I think. If an escort gets a negative or so-so review, alarm bells ring for me now. It's usually the accurate one.

But what I think is needed is a better description of what is DEFINITELY provided, what is "at discretion", and what is extra. If OWO is advertised, you shouldn't have to pay extra for it, it should be listed as extra in the ad?

Interested in what both punters and escorts think of this.

Cheers
Vic

Lincoln
21-02-11, 14:53
Well obviously anything advertised as a favourite on a profile should be just available without any prevarication and I think if you politely ask if extra can be paid for anything not listed this this can be politely refused or negotiated.

Unfortunately Victor appointments can be a fairly individualistic thing, the few reviews I have written my self I have tried to be as honest as possible but who's to say that maybe my positive experience wouldnt be only so-so for someone else.

Ultimately the "mixed-bag" experience is actually part of the over-all unending appeal of punting would you not agree??

Franken996
21-02-11, 14:55
well Vic,
this old chestnut- the topic goes to the core of why the board exists so it's vital it comes up regularly-
apart from subjectivity- beauty is in the eye of the beholder etc, there's always going to be the YMMV element...but ultimate;y there's a reason why most reviews are positive.. for the likes of yourself it's clear you do your homework, scoping out options in advance beforehand but for many reasons there's plenty of guys who don't- this can be for a myriad of reasons- they're new & anything that's on offer seems fantastic ( even if a seasoned punter would be underwhelmed)/ in some cases people (even in Pay for Play) can 'click' and it leads to a super session that the next guy in the door just wouldn't get replicated/ some guys get deluded in thinking that shilling/WKing may get them discounts/freebies etc... thus- even with the best of intentions & screening etc it's evident that a big chunk of reviews engage in what might politely be termed "hyperbole"...
best way to avoid it is to find a bunch of Reviewers who clearly share your tastes & have credible track records,
g'luck!!

Blond chick NIKKY
21-02-11, 15:01
Hard to say. Maybe she mix up u with somebody else. Yr reviews looks honest. Very long with all details :) but honest :) But i am always glad if girls say smth as well for their defence.

dave1dave
21-02-11, 15:21
For me I tend to think of everything being discretionary.
I think appointments can vary widely from person to person.
Escorts aren't robots so no-one can assume that every favourite is going to be performed. Sometimes there just may not be a chemistry there.

I've never had a problem with favourites not being available.
I have noticed with a few escorts profiles stating wheather all favourites are included which is helpful.

When it comes to reviewing, I just try to be honest and relate my experience. But it is not always going to be the same for everyone.
When looking at other peoples reviews, I have found a few reviewers that I seem to be "compatable" with. That come away from an encounter with a similar experience. So I would tend to gravitate towards their reviews when looking for guidance.

But all in all, no two people are going to come away from an appointment with the same experience, reviews are just a guideline to help us make an informed decision.
Favourites too are just a list of possibilitys.
But as you say if there is a certain favourite that without it would ruin an appointment, then I would certainly check beforehand. I think the initial contact between client and escort has to be a two way passing of information.

But also bear in mind though an escort may offer French Kissing as a favourite, and confirm its availability on the phone. Only to be confronted with a guy with a head on him like Worzle Gummidge. French kissing may not happen in this case :)

carlos marvado
21-02-11, 15:25
If you look at the wording of all the advertising profiles you will see that it states they you are paying for the escorts time and companionship and that anything else that might happen is a matter of pure coincidence between consenting adults......or words to that effect. In other words, escorts are informed that they can only list their sexual favourites, i.e. sexual practices which they are prepared to engage in within certain reason, but should not list extras seperately together with the prices of these extras. In such a case it could be argued that you were paying money for specific sexual acts.

The best way to find out, is to ask the escort when calling her or pming her, if she will do all the favourites listed, if all of them are included in the advertised price and if some are extra and how much these extras cost.

Some escorts may even be reluctant to go into this much detail about services and prices on the phone.

Blond chick NIKKY
21-02-11, 15:28
Well ist so hard sometimes. I had this problem this morning. I met nice and friendly guy. Who smells as ashtray. I am NON smoker and never smoke. And honestly i hate it. He took shower and use mouthwash. He smells nice. But still i wasnt able to do FK. I try to kiss with him,but when he open his mouth that smell. God. Thats killing me and i cant. I better to return money then do it. Sorry sometimes isnt all about money but about our feeling and if we feel confi to provide that service which we usually do. But really depends on client. and we arent robots...

Victor Mature
21-02-11, 16:41
Totally pissed off now....had typed a long response and lost it all!!

Nikky - thanks for sharing that with us. Punters like me can demand a lot and sometimes we forget the existence of an emotional human being who has to cope with random strangers demanding intimacy at every level.

When I started punting there was NO kissing, very little oral and most of it covered etc. Nowadays it's amazing what is allowed and expected! But I have a very small number of escorts whose company I really enjoy, and I know they look forward to seeing me too!!

Cheers
Vic

MatureJane
21-02-11, 18:13
Different strokes for different folks. That's why the reviews will never be completely something you can rely on. What might turn me on might turn another woman off. Remember, we can only play with human nature up to a point. However, at the end of the day, the performance will be based on how two pleople connect. An instant attraction to another human being is an inbuilt reaction, we have little control over it..

dm40
22-02-11, 12:24
Hi Vic

Firstly I agree with the girls nikki/jane and am aware of the human and emotional element of each appointment - all makes total sense as each meeting is an "of the moment experience" .
However I submitted a review yesterday (not yet uploaded!) where I had to ask for a shower - owo was on the menu and was then told E30 extra.This was a first for me-i always make sure I am well presented for meetings and have never been charged or asked for extra.Am not G Clooney but not bad looking either and i have out of approx 50 appointments had mainly good ones(i stopped reviewing as EI started going into dialogue re one review so I stopped altogether) so the only negative ones I have had are on my reviews. My other gripe is like Vic - all the escorts previous reviews are positive and none mention or seem to have had my experience - so to this end I fell your frustration!

Sexy Sandy 69
22-02-11, 18:04
If an escort has an issue about what is said in the review, she can post her comments on the review itself. I think to contact the client directly & get involved in an exchange of words is not acceptable. We all have different opinions on different situations/experiences & the client should be allowed to post what they think is a fair account of the appointment without dreading getting back lash off the escort.

I have refused to perform certain services because the client has not been clean enough, I do think that we are entitled to be able to do that. However, I do think it is wrong to charge extra for services that are listed as those you provide, this is misleading to the clients.

Better luck next tiime Victor.

Sandy x

TiffanyTees
22-02-11, 22:42
I totally agree with Sandy ALL favourites listed on profiles should be included in the price, not added as extras when appointment takes place. I try to make it clear in all my advertising posts that all favourites on my profile are included in my prices.

https://www.escort-ireland.com/boards/female-independent-escorts/59289-no-gimmicks-just-quality-guaranteed.html


love n licks Tiff xx

Victor Mature
23-02-11, 22:25
As I said at the start all my reviews are a fair account of what took place, and mostly they are positive. If services are at discretion or extra, they should NOT be included in the Profile unless the "extra" items are specifically mentioned - and there IS space to do this in the Profile.

Realistically I am going to stick to escorts that I know will provide all that they advertise, read my reviews and you'll know who they are! But for first timers - a word of caution - if you see an escort with a handful of rave reviews, ask yourself are they for real? And look at other reviews by the reviewer, to get an accurate picture of their "form".

There are a small number of reviewers that I trust, and I'd say there's a fair amount of fake reviews around too, so let's be careful!

jumper
24-02-11, 23:13
First this topic about the fair reviews and not about list of services or someone self-promotion!:) There were several discussions about why there are no two separate part of of services included and extras before! It is not escort or clients decisions or based on customs. The reason clearly state by Carlos in this topic and I could not explain it better than he did:

"If you look at the wording of all the advertising profiles you will see that it states they you are paying for the escorts time and companionship and that anything else that might happen is a matter of pure coincidence between consenting adults......or words to that effect. In other words, escorts are informed that they can only list their sexual favourites, i.e. sexual practises which they are prepared to engage in within certain reason, but should not list extras separately together with the prices of these extras. In such a case it could be argued that you were paying money for specific sexual acts.

The best way to find out, is to ask the escort when calling her or pming her, if she will do all the favourites listed, if all of them are included in the advertised price and if some are extra and how much these extras cost. "

It has to be like this because the Irish law. Paying for sex is illegal - paying for time is not! If an escort state some service as guaranteed and included in price, she also legally admits to offer sexual services and not only her time. This is against the law, to list some of she may do for you is not! Correct me if I'm wrong!

I rely a lot on your Vic also. I could have much more reviews if I would review all girls I visited. There would be a lot of grey reviews also as. I visited so many girls who gave only meritocratic services or they were professionals ant too mechanical. They did not respond to my emotions. I was even pissed off and let down sometimes. I prefer not to give a review for that girl I did not have great time. It has a few reason. We punters must accept and tolerate that girls gives only a service for us and we always have pleasure but they can not! The other thing as I heard from some ladies I visit regularly, that even a slightly negative comments can seriously harm their business. I do not think it is fair to say about the girl I just had sex with, that her technique not so good, her breast reach her belly, or similar. It's just disgraceful!

You said in your review, you begin to kiss each other than she interrupted it. She did provided FK, but it just failed for some reason. All previous clients got it, if you could not be pleased on the same level, might it was not the girl's fault. In that moment something must had happened either in you or in her. When I plan to visit a girl I always scooping out the options, how could her face look like as it can be less charming fro me in the reality even the photo 100% accurate and, try to imagine how would kiss each other. There will be a big jump we are completely strangers to each other and 10 minute later we could not be closer to each other and do what normally done only with someone we love. Lot of thing rely on the first moment when you see each other.
You said:
"I think another reason for not being over the moon is that she wasn't really as attractive as I expected. That black strip over her eyes is misleading and the photos are heavily doctored in my opinion."
She may have felt your disapointness and became upset. This may be one of the worst what a woman can get from a partner. When she feels she is not beautiful and adorable enough. There is not much we can give to these ladies for their love, just kindness and admiring them. If you felt so you shouldn't have stayed in my opinion.
To wright such a things about someone whom you just slept is very rude and disgraceful. You would not say to a girl you met in a club when you were drunk and then slept together, that "Sorry, I was drunk and did not recognise how ugly are you!" Would you?

After reading the other punters' review, yours sounds resentful for me. Definitely you can not call it as a fair.

Victor Mature
24-02-11, 23:51
Jumper

Just a couple of points I picked up from your long and rambling post.......I DO ask the ladies if they are OK with FK, OWO etc. On the phone and on the spot. I don't smoke, usually brush teeth/use mouthwash before a visit, and plenty of escorts are very happy to be with me and provide a full service - so I don't buy your argument that there was some reason for her not to do it - she had promised it - to quote my review "FK turned out to more or less a few quick brushes of the lips" SO IT DIDN'T HAPPEN. In these cases my view is that a promise is made to make sure you pay up, then suddenly it's not available. Most of us have had this from time to time.

You also ramble on about how rude and disgraceful I am - you're entitled to your opinion but reviews are meant to be accurate and I was genuinely disappointed, I wasn't going on a date and I didn't "sleep" with her - I was wide awake at all times!

In fairness to the lady it wasn't a bad punt, I was just annoyed at the deception in terms of photos (in my opinion...) and FK.

Case closed?

MatureJane
03-03-11, 09:15
The case is closed when we say it is.:mad: btw, what's fk????
You're looking for love in all the wrong places - lol

Victor Mature
03-03-11, 22:38
Jane
I guess I opened the case but you're welcome to keep it going! Interesting point you make - but I'm not looking for love, I'm not THAT stupid! I think I'm actually avoiding it as - without blowing any trumpets - I think I could easily have an affair if I wanted. But I don't need or want the complications.

I actually look for - and usually get - a nice GFE, and most escorts seem to enjoy my company which I also enjoy!

What's wrong with that? All I ask for is honesty and obviously the relevant services...

FK = French kissing by the way

Vic

Morpheus
05-03-11, 21:25
Have just had an exchange (see my Reviews) with a lady who didn't like what I said about her.

I pride myself on being fair and out of over 40 reviews, only 3 were negative (and for good reasons in each case). When looking for an escort I rely heavily on previous reviews where available - but over the last 6 months I've been burned a few times by assuming that reviews were accurate and genuine. For example someone says "great kisser" and then she doesn't do much more than a brush of the lips - and I don't smoke and usually use mouthwash beforehand just to be sure there is no reason not to....

Nowadays I just have reviewers I know I can trust and I'll ignore the rave reviews I think. If an escort gets a negative or so-so review, alarm bells ring for me now. It's usually the accurate one.

But what I think is needed is a better description of what is DEFINITELY provided, what is "at discretion", and what is extra. If OWO is advertised, you shouldn't have to pay extra for it, it should be listed as extra in the ad?

Interested in what both punters and escorts think of this.

Cheers
Vic


A 'can of worms' is right Victor!! I don't think there will ever be a consensus on this as people will have different views. Escorts and clients will certainly be at opposite sides of the fence on this one.

I just want to say Victor - that I have found your reviews to be extremely helpful and accurate (as I've seen some of the lovely ladies you've reviewed).

I would be quite put off by 'extra' charges for services listed. I think this is quite a common thing in the U.K. but escorts are usually upfront about it over there at the start of the appointment.

We all have essential services that we enjoy and the absence of them would spoil an appointment. SO likewise I would be disappointed if a service that I truly enjoyed was advertised and not provided.

I think it is important to be honest in one's reviews otherwise they would be completely useless.

john connor
09-03-11, 11:01
i think as other people have stated that until you arrive at the door and the escort can access you, only then will she know what she is willing to do. These girls are people to with likes and dislikes and they will be more attracted to some clients than others.
i think all clients need to present themselves in the best possible way and also understand that sometimes all extras may not be on offer for specific reasons. this does not take away however from the fact that a client that has clearly presented himself well should always feel that the escort has made an effort to make the meeting memorable

denise89
09-03-11, 11:11
not much to ad you coverd the area...and you are more than right!for example if il go to the store...and want to buy something ...i dont think i can if i dont have enouf money on me and than if i do i wont buy for exaple(bad one but makes my point)a coke than beeing sked if i would want the botle to?thats extra. the honest rewiew reflects the escorts work as she is beeing payd by hard eard money.that does not mean she does not need to be respected and payd for her services as stated on her profile!!!...till next time. denise.

sharkskin
19-03-11, 15:35
I have two comments:

It would help if E-I would modify the way that favourites are listed so that an escort can indicate that, for example, french kissing is available at the choice of the escort.

That way, I know that, if I turn up properly shaved, with a mouth the smells of listerine, without bits of food stuck between my teeth and proceed to treat the lady with respect then I have a decent chance of some nice kisses.

On the subject of charging for extras, in general I agree fully with TiffanyTees though I would make one comment. On another site, I saw a comment from an escort who said that she was unable to allow A more than once a day so whoever wanted it would pay extra. If that is the case then it seems to be fair.

Victor Mature
21-03-11, 11:54
Good points sharkskin....I always pay attention to hygiene including oral hygiene. To me, in the Internet/mobile age, the following steps apply:

1. Punter selects escort based on profile and/or reviews
2. Punter contacts escort via phone or PM and makes agreement
3. Punter visits escort. BEFORE money changes hands, any alterations to the advertised services should be sorted out. If at this stage, the lady says that FK is on offer, then I expect that it's available. If she has any reservations then she should voice them at this point. You don't expect that it's agreed at the location and then skimped on.

This thread was started because I was pissed off when this happened to me. Seems to me that some (and a small minority may I say...) escorts don't want to lose the business and think that they can skimp on aspects of what's agreed after they've been paid.

And most of the ladies I've been with have enjoyed the FK aspect of our visit and have told me so!

Discretion is important and an escort should be allowed to exercise it.

Just looking for fair play!!

Vic