View Full Version : The Swedish Model Versus The UK Model
Lucy Chambers
13-02-11, 12:24
Obviously no reform would be ideal but my real feeling is that the reforms are coming anyway. Our only real hope is to influence to how far the reforms are taken.
Sweden outlawed the purchase of sex in 1999. This has reduced on street prostitution but the reality is there are still many ladies working indoors, isolated from society and at greater risk of harm.
The UK brought in the Crime And Policing Bill in 2009. It criminalises the purchase of sex from anyone who had been controlled. (This equates to trafficked, not working for an agency etc) The control element is not something the client has to be aware of. It still remains legal to be an Independent escort.
I think that the UK model is adequate. It means that clients must do all they can to check that the lady is here of her own free will, but it also means some protection for those who may not be. It also allows freedom of choice. Agencies will suffer, but perhaps that is only right.
What do you think?
Sensual Delights
13-02-11, 12:28
I think you are absolutely correct. Purchesing sex should be totally legal if consentual parties are involved, based on their own personal free will. I would love to see the UK act implemented here.
Lucy Chambers
13-02-11, 12:35
I think you are absolutely correct. Purchesing sex should be totally legal if consentual parties are involved, based on their own personal free will. I would love to see the UK act implemented here.
Well, I did a bit of research last night. The Turn Off the Red Light Alliance are quoting UK law also, on their site. It may be that we need to push for a different model, judging by the things I have been researching there is no chance that there will be no reform at all...
Obviously no reform would be ideal but my real feeling is that the reforms are coming anyway. Our only real hope is to influence to how far the reforms are taken.
Sweden outlawed the purchase of sex in 1999. This has reduced on street prostitution but the reality is there are still many ladies working indoors, isolated from society and at greater risk of harm.
The UK brought in the Crime And Policing Bill in 2009. It criminalises the purchase of sex from anyone who had been controlled. (This equates to trafficked, not working for an agency etc) The control element is not something the client has to be aware of. It still remains legal to be an Independent escort.
I think that the UK model is adequate. It means that clients must do all they can to check that the lady is here of her own free will, but it also means some protection for those who may not be. It also allows freedom of choice. Agencies will suffer, but perhaps that is only right.
What do you think?
Makes perfect sense, I for one operate on the UK model at the moment anyway.
I do not use agencies and if I thought for one second there was any controlling element to my visit with a girl I would be out of there and reporting it.
Its a happy medium.
As you say Lucy we need to acknowledge that there is going to be a reform, and go about shaping how that reform will best benefit us. At the end of the day most clients just want to have a good shag and get on with life. The current draconian proposals would have detrimental consequences on their lives, if they were arrested for purchasing the services of an escort. As enterprising business women we will find ways to counter act what ever in placed in effect. But at the end of the day we are a soft issue being waved around to give the impression 'action is being taken'. The government fucked up royally and have landed the country in a financial bog of no mean order, so since finances is off the books as an issue, sex is on. The point now is to take the bite out of any thing that will bite us in the bum later on down the road.
Lucy Chambers
13-02-11, 12:56
As you say Lucy we need to acknowledge that there is going to be a reform, and go about shaping how that reform will best benefit us. At the end of the day most clients just want to have a good shag and get on with life. The current draconian proposals would have detrimental consequences on their lives, if they were arrested for purchasing the services of an escort. As enterprising business women we will find ways to counter act what ever in placed in effect. But at the end of the day we are a soft issue being waved around to give the impression 'action is being taken'. The government fucked up royally and have landed the country in a financial bog of no mean order, so since finances is off the books as an issue, sex is on. The point now is to take the bite out of any thing that will bite us in the bum later on down the road.
Fancy forming a union? Because I have serious doubt that anyone will listen to campaigns led by those who are seen as profiting from sex work. So that leaves...the sex workers.
Fancy forming a union? Because I have serious doubt that anyone will listen to campaigns led by those who are seen as profiting from sex work. So that leaves...the sex workers.
We may have to! The Irish Sex Workers Union. Ok Lucy you start writing the charter.
Lucy Chambers
13-02-11, 13:06
We may have to! The Irish Sex Workers Union. Ok Lucy you start writing the charter.
I am serious tbh. We are probably the safest ones to try and do it as we are paying tax and we arent from here..
..and if we don't, someone like Ruhama will be doing the talking for us.
So that leaves...the sex workers.
And those of us who are shagging the sex workers, although I doubt the public has a higher opinion of us than of those who are profiting from you.
Lucy Chambers
13-02-11, 13:09
And those of us who are shagging the sex workers, although I doubt the public has a higher opinion of us than of those who are profiting from you.
It doesn't have to be an exclusive union :)
Fancy helping with a charter?
And those of us who are shagging the sex workers, although I doubt the public has a higher opinion of us than of those who are profiting from you.
things have changed. i've read some mainstream opinion on other forums.
the public are undecided as to the true picture. more neautral than might be expected.
It doesn't have to be an exclusive union :)
Fancy helping with a charter?
Depends. Will mojitos be served at the meeting?
Lucy Chambers
13-02-11, 13:28
Depends. Will mojitos be served at the meeting?
Yes, with nibbles :)
I wasn't being flippant. I am quite serious. Because as you say, we aren't from here and won't suffer the way a local lady would.
I think a huge difference exists between here and UK and that is the issue regarding who are Independent and who are
agencies, agencies advertise as agencies in UK ,they all advertise as Independents in Ireland.Hundreds of men go everday
to visit an escort and leave convinced that they have seen an Independent escort, when in actual fact they have not.
Its fine to say only see Independent Ladies how do u really know,? we all know the high profile ladies who are visible on
the boards etc thats no problem. Move on now to the next layer underneath that, girls that dont post have a few reviews
can anybody here say with complete certainty who are independent and who are not. u go to the apt u hear other people
there most guys will assume or try convince themselves that its two Independent ladies working together.
So please dont assume that its easy to know if ure seeing Independents or not because while some of the Agencies are
very obvious some are not so, they change location frequently, dont use too many girls in apt at one time. If u really
study the profiles over time u will pick up on it ,but how many guys will do that? Not many i venture most just take a
few numbers and take the fact she is Advertised as independent at face value. So there are alot of issues here not cut
and dried atall
Lucy Chambers
13-02-11, 13:35
I wasn't being flippant. I am quite serious. Because as you say, we aren't from here and won't suffer the way a local lady would.
Okie dokie. I am going to do a bit more research into what we need to do but for now here is an example press release of quite a successful collective that are surprisingly effective at lobbying, they were heavily involved in the Clare Finch Case.
English Collective of Prostitutes (http://www.prostitutescollective.net/PressRelFeb03.htm)
Is this something clients would support?
The Irish Sex Workers Union-
It would be open to all who are in support of Sex Workers, so punters, friends, and sex workers current and retired a like, it is open to all nationalities. And we will have the charter written in English and Irish. :) We, will need a website, logo, and mission statement. El Gordo- would make an excellent secretary. All in favor? Say Aye.
Lucy Chambers
13-02-11, 13:39
I think a huge difference exists between here and UK and that is the issue regarding who are Independent and who are
agencies, agencies advertise as agencies in UK ,they all advertise as Independents in Ireland.Hundreds of men go everday
to visit an escort and leave convinced that they have seen an Independent escort, when in actual fact they have not.
Its fine to say only see Independent Ladies how do u really know,? we all know the high profile ladies who are visible on
the boards etc thats no problem. Move on now to the next layer underneath that, girls that dont post have a few reviews
can anybody here say with complete certainty who are independent and who are not. u go to the apt u hear other people
there most guys will assume or try convince themselves that its two Independent ladies working together.
So please dont assume that its easy to know if ure seeing Independents or not because while some of the Agencies are
very obvious some are not so, they change location frequently, dont use too many girls in apt at one time. If u really
study the profiles over time u will pick up on it ,but how many guys will do that? Not many i venture most just take a
few numbers and take the fact she is Advertised as independent at face value. So there are alot of issues here not cut
and dried atall
Nothing is cut and dried at the moment Ber, it wasnt in England either. However, many ladies chose to sign a declaration of Independence and to display this on their individual sites. At the same time regulations on Internet advertising were brought in by the ASA. It would also mean ladies being far easier to target by the Shadow Tax Economy Unit, which seeks to bring those working in the black market out and force them to pay tax. It means that clients have to make there choices carefully, and will definitely impact on those working illegally. So sorry, but I think thats the right thing anyway.
If you like we can sit back and say nothing, or we can try and work something out.
googleplex
13-02-11, 13:41
This is Ireland, home of the perpetual fuck up so its almost certain whatever bunch of clowns get power will make a ham fisted job of any change but the UK model would look the most sensible choice, but like I say this is not the UK. I am not sure how the worst option would work in reality anyway, police burst in on two people having, shock horror, sex ? my god the skys falling, is an escort not allowed to have sex outside of her ah hem... time and company providing job ? how could they prove anything if she and he said their eyes meet across a crowded bar and it was lust at first sight. Its not against the law to have a one night stand is it ?
This is Ireland, home of the perpetual fuck up so its almost certain whatever bunch of clowns get power will make a ham fisted job of any change but the UK model would look the most sensible choice, but like I say this is not the UK. I am not sure how the worst option would work in reality anyway, police burst in on two people having, shock horror, sex ? my god the skys falling, is an escort not allowed to have sex outside of her ah hem... time and company providing job ? how could they prove anything if she and he said their eyes meet across a crowded bar and it was lust at first sight. Its not against the law to have a one night stand is it ?
You are right this is Ireland, and if it can go wrong in other places it will go horribly wrong here, so the only thing we can do is try to minimize the damage and think of alternatives to hopefully get around any stupid laws they manage to try to stick us with.
Lucy Chambers
13-02-11, 13:49
This is Ireland, home of the perpetual fuck up so its almost certain whatever bunch of clowns get power will make a ham fisted job of any change but the UK model would look the most sensible choice, but like I say this is not the UK. I am not sure how the worst option would work in reality anyway, police burst in on two people having, shock horror, sex ? my god the skys falling, is an escort not allowed to have sex outside of her ah hem... time and company providing job ? how could they prove anything if she and he said their eyes meet across a crowded bar and it was lust at first sight. Its not against the law to have a one night stand is it ?
No, you are completely right, but clients will be terrified to risk seeing anyone, which will impact on our business. We will also be forced to work in a completely isolated manner, which is already an issue. The sky isn't falling yet, no. I wouldn't like to be in each town when the gardi have to fulfill their government set targets each month though, and as a search of a property will class as a point toward that target, you can guarantee that you will be seeing a few court cases. This isnt Sweden either.
Yes, with nibbles :)
Count me in, then. :)
No, you are completely right, but clients will be terrified to risk seeing anyone, which will impact on our business. We will also be forced to work in a completely isolated manner, which is already an issue. The sky isn't falling yet, no. I wouldn't like to be in each town when the gardi have to fulfill their government set targets each month though, and as a search of a property will class as a point toward that target, you can guarantee that you will be seeing a few court cases. This isnt Sweden either.
They are clients already scared shitless at the moment under normal circumstances, this will be the end of prostitution as we know it in Ireland. But like most things of this nature, it will move underground, and that is the danger to us. We will have no protection, except the protection of some unsavory characters and that will never work. Laws like this harm the group that they are supposed to be helping.
Nothing is cut and dried at the moment Ber, it wasnt in England either. However, many ladies chose to sign a declaration of Independence and to display this on their individual sites. At the same time regulations on Internet advertising were brought in by the ASA. It would also mean ladies being far easier to target by the Shadow Tax Economy Unit, which seeks to bring those working in the black market out and force them to pay tax. It means that clients have to make there choices carefully, and will definitely impact on those working illegally. So sorry, but I think thats the right thing anyway.
If you like we can sit back and say nothing, or we can try and work something out.
Well im all for that i have been preaching for years that there should be way more onus on the ladies to provide more proof
that they are Independent, but that wont happen here just look at the uproar just over verifying photographs.
As for a decleration of Independence on personal websites the overall percentage of girls with their own website here is a quite
small percentage so id say that would rule out about 80% of the girls.As for the tax thing u have to live in the real world very very
few are paying tax and i think as for being 100% tax compliant the number would be miniscule
Lucy Chambers
13-02-11, 13:59
They are clients already scared shitless at the moment under normal circumstances, this will be the end of prostitution as we know it in Ireland. But like most things of this nature, it will move underground, and that is the danger to us. We will have no protection, except the protection of some unsavory characters and that will never work. Laws like this harm the group that it is aimed at helping.
The misinformation that is being fed to the Media is astounding. According to them, 97 percent of women are forced into prostitution, and economic migration does not exist.
Its a bloody joke.
Lucy Chambers
13-02-11, 14:02
Well im all for that i have been preaching for years that there should be way more onus on the ladies to provide more proof
that they are Independent, but that wont happen here just look at the uproar just over verifying photographs.
As for a decleration of Independence on personal websites the overall percentage of girls with their own website here is a quite
small percentage so id say that would rule out about 80% of the girls.As for the tax thing u have to live in the real world very very
few are paying tax and i think as for being 100% tax compliant the number would be miniscule
Well, I hate to say this, but if it is a choice between having a client sign the sex offenders register or going the extra mile and getting sorted with tax etc, I know what I choose. Clients will have to vote with their head and feet Ber, and if they don't that is going to be the risk they take. I agree that things will have to change, but that change is possibly going to happen anyway. The gravy train has ended.
Okie dokie. I am going to do a bit more research into what we need to do but for now here is an example press release of quite a successful collective that are surprisingly effective at lobbying, they were heavily involved in the Clare Finch Case.
English Collective of Prostitutes (http://www.prostitutescollective.net/PressRelFeb03.htm)
Is this something clients would support?
Interesting that the rector of the local church was speaking in support at the meeting. Could we get someone like that here?
The misinformation that is being fed to the Media is astounding. According to them, 97 percent of women are forced into prostitution, and economic migration does not exist.
Its a bloody joke.
The thing about all this bruhaha about sex trafficking is so mis represented. There are more people trafficked to work in restaurants, hotels, and other substandard conditions, being under paid, and basically worked like slaves, and left to live 6 in room. No one says a thing about these poor souls. But as I have said sex is a soft issue to take a stand on.
Lucy Chambers
13-02-11, 14:08
Interesting that the rector of the local church was speaking in support at the meeting. Could we get someone like that here?
If it was the Vicar of Soho Parish he also went to court as a defence witness after the Police closed several brothels. He is a wonderful man :)
Well, I hate to say this, but if it is a choice between having a client sign the sex offenders register or going the extra mile and getting sorted with tax etc, I know what I choose. Clients will have to vote with their head and feet Ber, and if they don't that is going to be the risk they take. I agree that things will have to change, but that change is possibly going to happen anyway. The gravy train has ended.
Well my honest opinion is that alot of guys wont even have the knowledge or skills to do the research needed and the ones
that are scared will just not go to see ladies. U have an awful lot of clients going to see girls because the advent of the internet
in reality it made it seem a much less seedy pastime than going to a brothel or picking up streetgirls. There was an explosion
in the past few years in this type of client who might not otherwise see girls. U will always have a hardcore of clients will see
girls no matter what, but i think alot of the softer clients will stop when they weigh up the risks and decide its just not worth it
Lucy Chambers
13-02-11, 14:26
Well my honest opinion is that alot of guys wont even have the knowledge or skills to do the research needed and the ones
that are scared will just not go to see ladies. U have an awful lot of clients going to see girls because the advent of the internet
in reality it made it seem a much less seedy pastime than going to a brothel or picking up streetgirls. There was an explosion
in the past few years in this type of client who might not otherwise see girls. U will always have a hardcore of clients will see
girls no matter what, but i think alot of the softer clients will stop when they weigh up the risks and decide its just not worth it
I agree entirely Ber. Hence I think we need a Union, to push the case for going with the much cheaper option, the UK Model. After following the links that Bruno69 and other provided I am convinced that some form of Bill will be going through, but it could just as easily be the UK model with a little help :)
Well my honest opinion is that alot of guys wont even have the knowledge or skills to do the research needed and the ones
that are scared will just not go to see ladies. U have an awful lot of clients going to see girls because the advent of the internet
in reality it made it seem a much less seedy pastime than going to a brothel or picking up streetgirls. There was an explosion
in the past few years in this type of client who might not otherwise see girls. U will always have a hardcore of clients will see
girls no matter what, but i think alot of the softer clients will stop when they weigh up the risks and decide its just not worth it
In terms of the soft clients, you have this now. Guys who will punt two three time and never do it again. The hard core ones will always and have always found a way to get what they wanted. The only difference will be less girls to choose from, more true independents, more elaborate security measures and higher prices. Because we will be seeing less clients, so we will need to make up the difference by charging more. Also, alternative services will also increase. Massage services will be come ALOT more popular. Every girl will have a massage table and a uniform to match.
In terms of the soft clients, you have this now. Guys who will punt two three time and never do it again. The hard core ones will always and have always found a way to get what they wanted. The only difference will be less girls to choose from, more true independents, more elaborate security measures and higher prices. Because we will be seeing less clients, so we will need to make up the difference by charging more. Also, alternative services will also increase. Massage services will be come ALOT more popular. Every girl will have a massage table and a uniform to match.
I think the up side of this for ladies could be that they would get a much greater amount of regular clients because when a guy
will set up contact methods and meeting arrangments that he is comfortable with he will be less likely to risk detection by playing
the field as much as he might at the moment
I think the up side of this for ladies could be that they would get a much greater amount of regular clients because when a guy
will set up contact methods and meeting arrangments that he is comfortable with he will be less likely to risk detection by playing
the field as much as he might at the moment
Exactly! Established ladies will have the advantage in this, ok she may move about, but he knows it isn't likely to be a sting situation, because he has seen the lady in question. She will be secure in that she has a group of regs that will be coming back time and time again.
anitasizzle
13-02-11, 15:37
I'm for the Swedish model-it's about time clients suffered some of the hassles that escorts have to go thru, maybe they'll think twice about being 'timewasters', bullies, and being disrespectful to escorts, maybe it's time they shared some of the risks that went along with this business-as they say ''All dogs get their day'':)
I think it would be great if girls formed a union. I have always wanted this.
anitasizzle
13-02-11, 19:01
I think it would be great if girls formed a union. I have always wanted this.
What's the point of escorts forming a union in a Third World country whose debts equal to 10 trillon dollars? You've got to read the March issue of 'Vanity Fair's' article on the Irish debt crisis to understand my question.
What's the point of escorts forming a union in a Third World country whose debts equal to 10 trillon dollars?
Because when there's a crisis, it's the people who aren't organised who get the shaft.
Franken996
13-02-11, 20:10
That VF article makes for yet more sobering reading:
When Irish Eyes Are Crying | Business | Vanity Fair (http://www.vanityfair.com/business/features/2011/03/michael-lewis-ireland-201103)
Being pragmatic, the best course is IMHO to try to shape whatever legislation is coming- to do that one has to be factual & challenge the BS that currently passes for "informed debate"in the media.
Two observations... As I sit here in a S-club in the next state over from where I reside here in the US...regardless of what the legal environment is-the game will always find a way to flourish... What's equally important is what is de facto tolerated!
Regarding the tax topic- call me crazy but I'm reminded of what happened With salmon fishing licenses way back when in IRL..all the people who were 'poaching' were invited to apply for permits & come in from the cold of the black economy.. Some did but for Obvious reasons most choose to continue as they had.. Right up until the government imPlemented wildly draconian measures for fishing without a permit including huge fines & in some cases prison sentences.. Know I'm not comparing aPples to same but rest assured somewhere in Dublin there are wonks mulling this topic ....!!!
anitasizzle
13-02-11, 20:30
Because when there's a crisis, it's the people who aren't organised who get the shaft.
Why bother to work in Irelanf,lets be honest, the only people who really stand to benefit from escorts unionizing is the owner of this web site:p
anitasizzle
13-02-11, 20:43
I wasn't being flippant. I am quite serious. Because as you say, we aren't from here and won't suffer the way a local lady would.
Ding Dong-have you ever seen an Irish escort's face or name in the tabloid press-no it's always foreign ladies
Lucy Chambers
13-02-11, 20:57
Ding Dong-have you ever seen an Irish escort's face or name in the tabloid press-no it's always foreign ladies
I have seen several Irish escorts and madams in the press. I doubt xenohobia will help us move forward. At the end of the day those of us who intend to remain here would like to have a voice, there can be no harm in that unless we intend to let Ruhama be our spokesperson.
anitasizzle
13-02-11, 21:06
I have seen several Irish escorts and madams in the press. I doubt xenohobia will help us move forward. At the end of the day those of us who intend to remain here would like to have a voice, there can be no harm in that unless we intend to let Ruhama be our spokesperson.
I don't have stock in this website nor do i work in Ireland anymore, so i could careless what happens, and to whom it happens too And yes, I've occassionally seen Irish escorts and madams in he press, like maybe 6 in the nearly 13 years I lived in ireland, but like I said the majority were foreign
Please can we be civil and agree to disagree thanks .; doc
I don't have stock in this website nor do i work in Ireland anymore, so i could careless what happens, and to whom it happens too
You sure your not really Brian Cowen there Anitta?
You sure your not really Brian Cowen there Anitta?
no brian was always caring about ireland...he has a pension ffs!
anitasizzle
13-02-11, 21:23
You sure your not really Brian Cowen there Anitta?
No, just someone whose name and face was splashed in the taloids, and featured in the book 'Sex :oin the City'
No, just someone whose name and face was splashed in the taloids, and featured in the book 'Sex :oin the City'
im pretty sure brian cowen wont make that book!!..lol
Lucy Chambers
13-02-11, 21:24
Please can we be civil and agree to disagree thanks .; doc
Please don't tell me to agree to disagree when I so plainly was not being inflammatory. Which part of my posts do you find uncivil?
No, just someone whose name and face was splashed in the taloids, and featured in the book 'Sex :oin the City'
Willie O Dea?
Lucy Chambers
13-02-11, 21:28
I don't have stock in this website nor do i work in Ireland anymore, so i could careless what happens, and to whom it happens too And yes, I've occassionally seen Irish escorts and madams in he press, like maybe 6 in the nearly 13 years I lived in ireland, but like I said the majority were foreign
You never know Anita, the world is strange. You may find yourself back in the Emerald Isle one day and I am sure you agree its a good thing for any group to have an uncensored voice, after all you are a Socialist ;)
anitasizzle
13-02-11, 21:33
You never know Anita, the world is strange. You may find yourself back in the Emerald Isle one day and I am sure you agree its a good thing for any group to have an uncensored voice, after all you are a Socialist ;)
George Orwell was for censorship, and he was a Socialist-I don't see why I need a 'voice' when I'm a prostitute-the only people who stand to gain from unionizing is website owners, and orgainzed pimps
theres no greater addiction than an addiction to chaos. Deepak Chopra.
Lucy Chambers
13-02-11, 21:41
George Orwell was for censorship, and he was a Socialist-I don't see why I need a 'voice' when I'm a prostitute-the only people who stand to gain from unionizing is website owners, and orgainzed pimps
I don't agree. To progress you must empower, and knowledge is power. People are putting our side of the story across for us, we need some balance. The only people who could profit from that are us the ladies who come after. Altruism isnt a swearword Ms Sizzle, and I hope you might agree there needs to be progress.
anitasizzle
13-02-11, 22:03
I don't agree. To progress you must empower, and knowledge is power. People are putting our side of the story across for us, we need some balance. The only people who could profit from that are us the ladies who come after. Altruism isnt a swearword Ms Sizzle, and I hope you might agree there needs to be progress.
The real problem here is that there are too many girls working in too many small towns throughout Ireland; Garda know not all these women are 'Independent' escorts, but worker-bees for some of the long-term pimps who have been operating in Ireland for years-as a way to get a handle on the problem Garda are targeting independent escorts, and now their clients. You can't have girls working in small towns the way they do, Irish people aren't going to go for it, and if that means targeting whomever by whatever means possible that's the way things are going to be.
It would be for the best interest of the industry if girls would stay out of small towns, and lower the numbers working in Ireland; Ireland use to be not a bad place to work even with the tabloids and envious agency bosses, but now things have gotten out of hand.
Lucy Chambers
13-02-11, 22:11
The real problem here is that there are too many girls working in too many small towns throughout Ireland; Garda know not all these women are 'Independent' escorts, but worker-bees for some of the long-term pimps who have been operating in Ireland for years-as a way to get a handle on the problem Garda are targeting independent escorts, and now their clients. You can't have girls working in small towns the way they do, Irish people aren't going to go for it, and if that means targeting whomever by whatever means possible that's the way things are going to be.
It would be for the best interest of the industry if girls would stay out of small towns, and lower the numbers working in Ireland; Ireland use to be not a bad place to work even with the tabloids and envious agency bosses, but now things have gotten out of hand.
I agree. However the criminalisation of the purchase of sex would make criminals of us all, clients and sex workers. The police arent really interested in us, lets face it if they were they wouldnt have to look far for us, and they could if they wished raid a different girl every hour. These alliances are the ones pushing the cause, and no one is contradicting their message. It was once said the Irish would never accept condoms. They did. Ditto divorce. Ireland is changing, but this law will take us back 100 steps.
anitasizzle
13-02-11, 22:17
I agree. However the criminalisation of the purchase of sex would make criminals of us all, clients and sex workers. The police arent really interested in us, lets face it if they were they wouldnt have to look far for us, and they could if they wished raid a different girl every hour. These alliances are the ones pushing the cause, and no one is contradicting their message. It was once said the Irish would never accept condoms. They did. Ditto divorce. Ireland is changing, but this law will take us back 100 steps.
Get rid of a particular pimp and website owner and the law won't go into effect
Lucy Chambers
13-02-11, 22:19
Get rid of a particular pimp and website owner and the law won't go into effect
Chamomile tea Anita. It is good for relaxation ;)
this issue appears poised for mass debate,
a ff government would continue on as has been, a good sex industry.
a ff government would continue on as has been, a good sex industry.
sadly no country ..but still ...lol
Get rid of a particular pimp and website owner and the law won't go into effect
Come on Anita... let's not get nasty now please.
anitasizzle
13-02-11, 22:25
Come on Anita... let's not get nasty now please.
You better be glad I like you, Samlad:p
You better be glad I like you, Samlad:p
and you anita are now in a club of one...ppl that like sammy..lol
You better be glad I like you, Samlad:p
And I like you too. Please don't make me tell you off :( x x x
Lucy Chambers
13-02-11, 22:30
and you anita are now in a club of one...ppl that like sammy..lol
I like Sam. He tells me dirty jokes :)
Can we get back on my effing topic now as I rather think its important? Would clients support a Union of Sex Workers? :D
Sorry to all for going off topic but I saw the thread title and couldnt resist .LOL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-J9ZpQYW8s
anitasizzle
13-02-11, 22:35
I like Sam. He tells me dirty jokes :)
Can we get back on my effing topic now as I rather think its important? Would clients support a Union of Sex Workers? :D
There was a petition a while back about escorts, and whatever it had to with, did they sign it, HELL NO, so now you think they'd support a ''Union of Sex Workersz?'' Stop smoking that stuff, Lucky:p
I like Sam. He tells me dirty jokes :)
Can we get back on my effing topic now as I rather think its important? Would clients support a Union of Sex Workers? :D
Well as i said previously any organisation needs a public face to be taken seriously, to debate issues on TV radio etc give
interviews . A campaign of this nature has to be fought in the media as other avenues such as access to politicians will
be closed off. Is there any ladies here really prepared to put themselves in the public spotlight? Give up their anonaminity?
As i have already said E-I with all their posturing wont put somebody forward to get involved in debate. They are operating
legally and if the issue is this important to them they need to be publicaly represented
Well as i said previously any organisation needs a public face to be taken seriously, to debate issues on TV radio etc give
interviews . A campaign of this nature has to be fought in the media as other avenues such as access to politicians will
be closed off. Is there any ladies here really prepared to put themselves in the public spotlight? Give up their anonaminity?
As i have already said E-I with all their posturing wont put somebody forward to get involved in debate. They are operating
legally and if the issue is this important to them they need to be publicaly represented
The media have been know to talk to people without knowing their real names.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_HyyDHyAwI6k/TGVz20q3-AI/AAAAAAAAKB4/7XlkTC0YoHE/s400/subcomandante+marcos.jpg
They kind of like the air of mystery.
Lucy Chambers
13-02-11, 22:51
The media have been know to talk to people without knowing their real names.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_HyyDHyAwI6k/TGVz20q3-AI/AAAAAAAAKB4/7XlkTC0YoHE/s400/subcomandante+marcos.jpg
They kind of like the air of mystery.
My hero :)
The media have been know to talk to people without knowing their real names.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_HyyDHyAwI6k/TGVz20q3-AI/AAAAAAAAKB4/7XlkTC0YoHE/s400/subcomandante+marcos.jpg
They kind of like the air of mystery.
To be honest both u and i know the message that would send, yes people wear masks or hide their faces in interviews
mostly criminals or terrorists. Is that really the perception u want to give? If somebody went into a TV studio debate
wearing a mask they would not be taken seriously they would be ridiculed. The last interview i saw done wearing masks
were the rubber bandits is that the perception u want get abroad
Lucy Chambers
13-02-11, 23:06
To be honest both u and i know the message that would send, yes people wear masks or hide their faces in interviews
mostly criminals or terrorists. Is that really the perception u want to give? If somebody went into a TV studio debate
wearing a mask they would not be taken seriously they would be ridiculed. The last interview i saw done wearing masks
were the rubber bandits is that the perception u want get abroad
You are correct in this Ber, but give is a chance, we only really thought about it today. I dont have an issue talking to anyone, but there are things to be considered. It may be that we can take notes from what the other organisations do, we may be able to use a spokesperson.
Lucy Chambers
13-02-11, 23:07
debest????..
Subcommandante Marcos. Deebs is up there though :)
anitasizzle
13-02-11, 23:09
To be honest both u and i know the message that would send, yes people wear masks or hide their faces in interviews
mostly criminals or terrorists. Is that really the perception u want to give? If somebody went into a TV studio debate
wearing a mask they would not be taken seriously they would be ridiculed. The last interview i saw done wearing masks
were the rubber bandits is that the perception u want get abroad
Pay me a sizeable sum of money, and I'll do it-if got nothing to lose:p
This might be of interest .
https://www.escort-ireland.com/boards/general-chat/29169-escort-union.html