Independent escorts, agencies and ‘protectors’

[Boobsandbumlover]

I am not stating facts. I’m just saying that some elements in the business makes me suspicious. In the end I would advocate exactly the same as you. In order to fight criminality, legalise the business. The girls will be safer, the punter will be safer and the economy may benefit.

[Boobsandbumlover]

While the OP makes some valid points quite a few Non English speaking ladies will use services of an operator / receptionist for translation and directions. Operator might provide translation / reception for more than one lady. The ladies often switch to using Wats App translation if they’ve met you once.

I do also state the following in my original post
“ Now it’s perfectly possible that the girl has someone who speaks better English and whom she trusts to arrange appointments for her and that would be fine. But I have my suspicions that this is not the case. And again I have a serious problem with contributing to criminals who are abusing vulnerable women.”

So on that I do agree with you that hose possibilities exist.

[Boobsandbumlover]

I have to be honest and say I am not really happy with this thread at all.
While on the one hand I agree I would want all the money I pay to go directly to the escort, I don't believe I have visited anyone who is forced to be there.
It's agruable that how do we know, the reality is we don't, but I don't subscribe to no English or under 30 and she must be trafficked.
I think this just damages the ability of the genuine younger escorts who want to earn some money.

I will always remember one girl telling me how her brother was selling drugs. The police took the drugs, but he still owed the money for them.
They broke his legs and threatened to kill him if the money wasn't paid.
That's how she got into the business, she wanted to help her brother.
She was clearly coerced, although she made the decision to do this work to earn the money, so it's arguable she wasn't.

And what about the extortionate rent the escorts pay? It's arguable the "landlord" is providing a service and wants to be paid for their risk and trouble.

My own belief is the girls providing a phone answering service are providing a service, they are not pimps.
The "landlords" are providing accomodation.

You know the quickest way of sorting all this out? Legalise it.
Then accomodation would be available at normal rates, phone answering is phone answering, and advertising is advertising.
Boyfriends are boyfriends.

Many of these ladies just provide for themselves and their families, and I don't think are helped by speculation and well meaning but misguided good intentions

I am not stating facts. I’m just saying that some elements in the business makes me suspicious. In the end I would advocate exactly the same as you. In order to fight criminality, legalise the business. The girls will be safer, the punter will be safer and the economy may benefit.

[AmyTantraMassage]

You are putting words in my mouth. I didn’t say they did for free . It’s a big leap you are making there equating doing the phone for a woman who has little or no English and being a pimp. I’m reluctant to engage with you because it’s your way or the highway. Which I’m doing now but I’m happy to yield the floor to you.

It's the literal definition of a pimp. Especially as most receptionists are why there are so many 'what was agreed on the phone didn't happen' reviews. And most men don't review. They'll say anything to get thebclient in and get their 'commission' so they're as bad, if nit worse than the 'boyfriends' that listen to yall have sex with their 'girlfriends' in the sitting area/kitchen. Pimps.

[konus]

I have no moral problem with prostitution or the idea that I pay for sex. But lately I’ve become a bit suspicious again about the advertising on EI and the actual reality of meeting an escort. I usually peruse the ads (profile) of the escorts to make a choice to meet. I have a number of criteria that I personally always try to stick to. Appearance, age (30 or over for me, I want to be pretty sure the lady is mature enough to make her own decisions), offer of services, reviews and most importantly if the lady in question is independent. The last criterium is important to me because I find it important to know whether the money I pay the lady actually all goes to her, every penny of it.
I do not want a serious proportion of that money going to either, madams, agents, of human traffickers.

I think on the whole 90% of the ladies I visit are independent. ( they may have a boyfriend, but that’s their business) but lately I had at least three occasions where I arranged a meeting with a person on the phone with perfect English ( albeit with an accent. And since I’m not Irish myself I recognise a significant amount of accents. German, Russian, Spanish Italian American etc.) and then when you actually meet the lady on location they can hardly string a sentence together. This makes me suspicious that there are agents or worse active arranging appointments and of course they don’t do that for nothing. Now it’s perfectly possible that the girl has someone who speaks better English and whom she trusts to arrange appointments for her and that would be fine. But I have my suspicions that this is not the case. And again I have a serious problem with contributing to criminals who are abusing vulnerable women.

Young foreign ladies, basic english, different town in Ireland every couple days ... doesn't take much figuring out !!

[Blue60]

Young foreign ladies, basic english, different town in Ireland every couple days ... doesn't take much figuring out !!

Are you therefore saying that the escorts you describe above are basically all forced into the business and work in fear of their criminal masters ?

[konus]

Are you therefore saying that the escorts you describe above are basically all forced into the business and work in fear of their criminal masters ?

I'm not suggesting that for a moment. The point I am making is that foreign ladies with basic english couldn't organise travel and privately rented accommodation in up to a dozen rural Irish towns over 3/4 weeks without 'help'. My observation is that the travel/accommodation is organised for them, bit like the days when we used our Main St travel agents to book our two weeks in 'Terrormolinos'... (€99 specials, they were the days) ..

Think about it... Young foreign lady with no English and no car, can somehow get herself to Roscommon, Westmeath or Sligo, and find a privately owned apartment to rent for 3 days .. !!!! not possible even with airbnb.

[Irelandbeautyyy]

Let’s look at this little bit more realistic how it’s working in real. Most of the girls start to work with some agency or with retired escort. Working girl decides about everything and there is nothing mooving without her mind in good working agency. It’s her who is paying someone if she would like to.

When i started in different country, I didn’t know their language and anything about that country. I was so glad i met a girl who reccomended me the agency based in that country. We were talking about our exams as we did simmilar university, i didn’t see anything bad about her. I followed her. And i was right. She will be always my motivation even iam not in touch with her anymore from time when i came to Ireland. Do i regret something? I learnt so many things about this business, and i got my mindset which i have in this moment.

And even after few years some girls decide to still continue with the agency. It’s their choice and also their money. Mostly it’s really not working like someone does this job in some fear.

Of course there are a few cases when a girl has not even her ID and her personnal things. And we all, who would find out somwthing like this, should help this poor girl!

How do you think girls from Europe get a right knowledge to work in Singapur, Emirates or in Australia? Or even here in Europe?

Let’s keep it in hands of authorities. Iam sure they know what they are doing. Not long ago there was penalized a group working in Finland. Iťs not our job. I guess a lot of people have distorted information about this.

Every girl feels it differently. I also believe some girls need some mentally support and someone with who they can talk. Most of people don’t see into this. From my experience i can confirm they are good people in this business as well. Mostly it’s the girl later who can’t handle with all. Agency could be a good mentor as well.

I hope i didn’t text anything why my post should be delated. I repeat again if there is some poor girl who is not doing this job by her own deccision, don’t be blind and help her. All the best.

[Blue60]

You spelled pimps wrong. Unless these receptionists/operators do it for free. Which is OP's actually point.

My take on the thrust of the OP's post is that he has a concern that some escorts may be 'controlled' by others involved in the provision of services by those escorts rather than the escorts deciding freely themselves to pay others for the provision of support services, notwithstanding that those individuals may well fall foul of the legal interpretation of a pimp.

[Blue60]

I'm not suggesting that for a moment. The point I am making is that foreign ladies with basic english couldn't organise travel and privately rented accommodation in up to a dozen rural Irish towns over 3/4 weeks without 'help'. My observation is that the travel/accommodation is organised for them, bit like the days when we used our Main St travel agents to book our two weeks in 'Terrormolinos'... (€99 specials, they were the days) ..

Think about it... Young foreign lady with no English and no car, can somehow get herself to Roscommon, Westmeath or Sligo, and find a privately owned apartment to rent for 3 days .. !!!! not possible even with airbnb.

Ok, so in the main you are happy and understanding of their situation so ?