New tolls on roads.

[dave1dave]

So what do you think, good idea or bad ?

Personally I think it's going to force a lot of traffic back onto the secondary roads, many haulage companies will have no choice.
We will end up with a motorway infrastructure that is mostly unused.

[dr love]

Can't argue with that dave , as usual hit the motorist.
But I have to say when I go to Dublin I use the old routes still find it more relaxing to drive on .: doc

[dave1dave]

Can't argue with that dave , as usual hit the motorist.
But I have to say when I go to Dublin I use the old routes still find it more relaxing to drive on .: doc

Problem is though I've seen that they have started to change the speed limits on the old roads from 100kmh down to 80kmh.

I think they are trying to force people onto the tolled roads, why would a road that has always been 100kmh and previously a 60 mph zone suddenly be re classified as 80kmh ? These roads were, until the introduction of the motorway, the main national roads..

I get what you are saying though doc, if you are not trying to keep a schedule then the other roads are much more enjoyable and relaxing.

[anon361]

Problem is though I've seen that they have started to change the speed limits on the old roads from 100kmh down to 80kmh.

I think they are trying to force people onto the tolled roads, why would a road that has always been 100kmh and previously a 60 mph zone suddenly be re classified as 80kmh ? These roads were, until the introduction of the motorway, the main national roads..

I get what you are saying though doc, if you are not trying to keep a schedule then the other roads are much more enjoyable and relaxing.

Because when you put a motorway in to replace a route the old road becomes a secondary route/road which is 80kmh speed limit, load of bollixs to get you to use the new motorway. Same way when they open a new one they always seem to start never ending road works on the old one to try force you to use the morotway also.

[dave1dave]

Because when you put a motorway in to replace a route the old road becomes a secondary route/road which is 80kmh speed limit, load of bollixs to get you to use the new motorway. Same way when they open a new one they always seem to start never ending road works on the old one to try force you to use the morotway also.

Didn't know that, so all secondary roads are 80kmh ?

I thought determining a speed limit would have been a little more sophisticated in this day and age !!!

[Doozer]

Didn't know that, so all secondary roads are 80kmh ?

I thought determining a speed limit would have been a little more sophisticated in this day and age !!!

This is Ireland Dave, when have we ever been sophisticated
especailly when it comes to the speed limit

Call uncle Gaybo

[anon361]

Didn't know that, so all secondary roads are 80kmh ?

I thought determining a speed limit would have been a little more sophisticated in this day and age !!!

Once they put in a motorway between 2 locations the National or Primary road as they used to call it gets downgraded to a Regional or Secondary road again in old speak. So basically a National road is the direct link between 2 towns / villages and Regional are all the off shoots.

National road speed limits (100 km/h)

A speed limit of 100 kilometres per hour is in place on all national roads (including dual carriageways) throughout Ireland.
Regional and local speed limits (80 km/h)

A speed limit of 80 kilometres per hour is in place on all regional and local roads (sometimes referred to as non-national roads).
Motorway speed limits (120 km/h)

A speed limit of 120 kilometres per hour is in place on all motorways. You should note that learner drivers, vehicles under 50 cc, bicycles, pedestrians, animals and invalid carriages are not allowed on motorways in Ireland.

[dr love]

Problem is though I've seen that they have started to change the speed limits on the old roads from 100kmh down to 80kmh.

I think they are trying to force people onto the tolled roads, why would a road that has always been 100kmh and previously a 60 mph zone suddenly be re classified as 80kmh ? These roads were, until the introduction of the motorway, the main national roads..

I get what you are saying though doc, if you are not trying to keep a schedule then the other roads are much more enjoyable and relaxing.

What you say there dave very true , get caught for tolls or the fecking speeding camera vans on the other routes .As motorists we're shafted regardless of what option we use .: doc

[westcorklad]

So what do you think, good idea or bad ?

Personally I think it's going to force a lot of traffic back onto the secondary roads, many haulage companies will have no choice.
We will end up with a motorway infrastructure that is mostly unused.

Tell me more.Is this going to apply to all main routes?What about the Jack Lynch Tunnel in Cork.Is this included ?

[doodlebug]

I think we should adopt the Swiss system, one annual charge for using the motorways and thats it applies to all drivers native and visitors. Its something like 45 euro at the minute, seems steep but you have a great infrastructure and no barriers or crap like that.

I think the proposed toll on Drogheda bypass is open to legal challenge as under EU law you can't have a toll road without a non tolled alternative and the M1 is already tolled so tolling the bypass could be argued is against the law!!!