Pimp ring busted in Romania.

[Morpheus]

Sorry to say but you will never know for shure ! Under presure people can perform mirakles and women can akt to safe theyr lifes ! She is al smiling with you and her hart is crying !
I think the best way is to shoose careful before metting a girl , theyr are countrys where the chance is bigger that the girl is not doing it on her free will and maybe best to avoid . Also to be carful when the girl answering the fone is speaking good english and the girl you met is not ! Also a good way just ask her and see her reaction ! Its down to your guys guts feeling and not led by your hard one .

Thank you for reply Lilian. Without trying to be funny or confrontational - how do we know that you haven't been trafficked or forced into escorting? I have no doubt that you are doing this of your own free will but you've just said there's no way I'll know for sure!!!

As for avoiding escorts from certain countries - most girls don't put down their real country of origin for privacy/ anonymity and to avoid such prejudice. And I personally never ask a girl where's she's from because I think it's none of my business. If she tells me than it's fair game for conversation.

As for gut feeling, well I've always been comfortable with the ladies I've been with and most if not all have been extremely relaxed and given me the vibes that this is of their own free will. I've also always spoken to the girl who's seen me and not some intermediary. I tend to revisit ladies rather than seeing new girls all the time. Therefore I get to know these ladies better than I would have, had it been only a single encounter.

[Lilian]

For Morpheus

Am I independant : No worries , when ever somebody ask me that question , I show my passport and my tax resit, question
answered , no douts left .

Certain countrys : countrys are shown on the adverts and we all know that Italy , Greek and Spain mostly means Easteurope ! you are a polit men but guests have a right to know since you dont want to be part of a crime , getting into a policeraid is not funny !

Guts feeling : thats what I meant when I said trust your guts , you felt the girls are relaxed and doing it on theyr own and you wher comfortible and you spoke to them directly on the fone !

I was speaking not about you personaly but everybody in my post , sorry lost in translation

[skywalker85]

I remember a girl telling me that alot of the girls here are romanian, so after all that about the pimping ring being smashed that would suggest that most of the girls are prob Trafficked, and also the reason why so much lie about their real nationality, all this its for privacy reason is Bullshit imo, if they arnt afraid to show there faces on there Escort Advert, why is there a need to lie about their nationality

[Lilian]

I remember a girl telling me that alot of the girls here are romanian, so after all that about the pimping ring being smashed that would suggest that most of the girls are prob Trafficked, and also the reason why so much lie about their real nationality, all this its for privacy reason is Bullshit imo, if they arnt afraid to show there faces on there Escort Advert, why is there a need to lie about their nationality

You are right in parts , its not only romanians that have wrong countrys on theyr adds and its not privacy but the reason is that a lot of guests avoid easteurope countrys for the fear of humantrafficking !

[Morpheus]

Am I independant : No worries , when ever somebody ask me that question , I show my passport and my tax resit, question
answered , no douts left .

Certain countrys : countrys are shown on the adverts and we all know that Italy , Greek and Spain mostly means Easteurope ! you are a polit men but guests have a right to know since you dont want to be part of a crime , getting into a policeraid is not funny !

Guts feeling : thats what I meant when I said trust your guts , you felt the girls are relaxed and doing it on theyr own and you wher comfortible and you spoke to them directly on the fone !

I was speaking not about you personaly but everybody in my post , sorry lost in translation

Nothing lost in translation Lilian. You've explained yourself perfectly, and I didn't misunderstand you or take any offence.

It's just that this has raised a spectre that is worrying me. I've been so sure that I've only seen ladies working of their own free will. This has now created self doubt for me.

[Lucy Chambers]

Nothing lost in translation Lilian. You've explained yourself perfectly, and I didn't misunderstand you or take any offence.

It's just that this has raised a spectre that is worrying me. I've been so sure that I've only seen ladies working of their own free will. This has now created self doubt for me.

Well, to play Devils Advocate..there is economic migration also. Sometimes the only way to finance travel is to do so through others. So some ladies may actually be working of their own free will and still paying a cut to someone quite happily. They probably couldn't get here if not, considering a monthly income of 300 euro is not unusual in some eastern european countries.

Then comes the issue of consensual. All sex is consensual as long as it is agreed beforehand what the rules are. Short of taking a case history of each escort I doubt you can run a risk assessment based purely on nationality. There are other indicators that do indicate agency and most of you know them but wouldn't dream of saying here

[Lilian]

To Morpheus :
Sorry if I did that but its the sad truth .
I always count myself as a smart person , but it happend to me that I was working with a girl that was trafficked to Belgium and I only found out after 3 weeks !!!!
I felt something wrong , like a bad boyfriend , but never that she was not working on her free will , I felt very ashamed and angry with myself !
If I cant see it , how are guest that spend mostly short time with girls ?

[RodeoMan]

Hi Morpheus,
I visited two escorts numerous times and they told me they were independent and they were from russia, these two escorts had 70 plus positive reviews and were lovely ladies, then around three weeks ago I discovered they were romanian and were been pimped, from been with these girls you would never for one second suspect they were, they were chatty bubbly and had a great sense of humour, you just can never tell, these girls also had identical tattoos on there ankles (but i am not getting into that conversation now)

[Lucy Chambers]

Hi Morpheus,
I visited two escorts numerous times and they told me they were independent and they were from russia, these two escorts had 70 plus positive reviews and were lovely ladies, then around three weeks ago I discovered they were romanian and were been pimped, from been with these girls you would never for one second suspect they were, they were chatty bubbly and had a great sense of humour, you just can never tell, these girls also had identical tattoos on there ankles (but i am not getting into that conversation now)

Can I ask how you discovered it? Just curious. I have just remembered that Notatwork said the same thing about the tattoo thing. Very disturbing.

[Lilian]

Well, to play Devils Advocate..there is economic migration also. Sometimes the only way to finance travel is to do so through others. So some ladies may actually be working of their own free will and still paying a cut to someone quite happily. They probably couldn't get here if not, considering a monthly income of 300 euro is not unusual in some eastern european countries.

Then comes the issue of consensual. All sex is consensual as long as it is agreed beforehand what the rules are. Short of taking a case history of each escort I doubt you can run a risk assessment based purely on nationality. There are other indicators that do indicate agency and most of you know them but wouldn't dream of saying here

You are right on that view , but how do we difine humantrafficking ? If a lady just pays back what was invested by "helpers" fair deal , but take a part of her income and tell her what to do for what money and tell her wher to stay and how long to work and not able to refuse a guest is kind of human trafficking/pimping !!!! Its not a free choice is it ?
And naturaly you cant put it on few nationalitys , but the chances are higher !!!