brute force and ignorance

[Minxx]

recently i met an escort who had been terrorised by four thugs who stole everything she had on the ruse that one was a customer who forgot his keys, they hit her and frightened her out of her wits, thank god nothing worse, she was on her own, touring escorts are enormously exposed, living out of suitcases, sometimes the apartments are a mess, some escorts have to buy their own bed linen because they have high standards for them selves and their customers, the guys who call and dont show up, the abusive callers, the great unwashed are all bad enough, the violent nutjobs are anathema, a boil on society, this woman is tiny, speaks better english than most and was an easy target, within missing a beat she was back at work within days in new town meeting more ananymous strangers all of whom could be a threat to her life, obviously she works for a living, hopefully enjoys some of it, you sit in an apartment all day waiting for a call, hoping it will be ok, have to look your best, perform to the best of your ability, otherwise you might get a bad review from an otherwise good guy or a freak, anyone who has worked in a service industry knows the pubc are dangerous freaks, in the field of providing sexual services with all the paranoia involved, how bad could that be?
Soe years ago i was in a relatioship with an escort. leaving aside the obvious jealousy, fear, withdrawal, there was the dread of real harm coming to someone you adored, nightly phone calls, separation, thankfully she gave up the job which she always wanted to do, which of us men could look good 24 hours a day, be ready for action at 10 mins notice, make the right noises, send you home happy and then be ready for the next gift from god, these are extraordinary courageous people, when you complain about their prices, ask yourself what you would charge not for just your time butyour actual being, the wonderful woman i met is young, a little inexperienced, who could have just given up after this trauma in a foreign country, these incomparable women fill a void in our lives, celebrate them, walk in their shoes and you will see

With such reports of vicious abuse, its really no wonder that a campaign has begun to criminalise men who buy sex

If this abuse is as common as some say it is, then an outright ban on the whole thing would be the only way forward

If men are abusing the women they pay for sex then that very act should become illegal, in my opinion

[doodlebug]

With such reports of vicious abuse, its really no wonder that a campaign has begun to criminalise men who buy sex

If this abuse is as common as some say it is, then an outright ban on the whole thing would be the only way forward

If men are abusing the women they pay for sex then that very act should become illegal, in my opinion

Interesting train of thought, but somewhat flawed. Firstly the majority of men buying sex are not abusing the woman they see, it is the criminals who arrange to see girls so they can rob them, they are not true punters as such. Secondly banning the act of paying for sex will not stop the act, only make it more difficult for both girls and punters and drive them further into the shadows where abuse and robbery will be more common. The opposite of your suggestion is the solution, legalise the act of buying sex and allow normal mores and society to add a level of protection, a level that allows a girl who is robbed to go the authorities without fear of being chastised or worse. Ironically in one case I know of it was a man pretending to be Gardai that attempted to rob the girl in question.

[royaler]

Interesting train of thought, but somewhat flawed. Firstly the majority of men buying sex are not abusing the woman they see, it is the criminals who arrange to see girls so they can rob them, they are not true punters as such. Secondly banning the act of paying for sex will not stop the act, only make it more difficult for both girls and punters and drive them further into the shadows where abuse and robbery will be more common. The opposite of your suggestion is the solution, legalise the act of buying sex and allow normal mores and society to add a level of protection, a level that allows a girl who is robbed to go the authorities without fear of being chastised or worse. Ironically in one case I know of it was a man pretending to be Gardai that attempted to rob the girl in question.

My thoughts completely Doodlebug. While I think Minxx is well meaning in his suggestion it would be a case of applying one 'wrong' to deal with another 'wrong' and hoping to achieve a 'right'. As per the old saying, this never works - only makes matters worse.

[Forrest]

With such reports of vicious abuse, its really no wonder that a campaign has begun to criminalise men who buy sex. If this abuse is as common as some say it is, then an outright ban on the whole thing would be the only way forward
If men are abusing the women they pay for sex then that very act should become illegal, in my opinion

There are plenty of situations of abuse, theft, violence that do not involve escorts.
All of them are equally wrong.
Based on your argument we should ban all men from visiting the following locations

1) banks, in case they decide to bring shotguns, knives, baseball bats etc along to rob it.
2) post office, for the same reason as 1
3) local shop, for the same reason as 1
4) anywhere where there is the potential for monetary gain through illegal methods
5) anywhere that they might encounter a potential victim for their nastiness - the local park, down by the river etc

Violence and abuse against anyone, male or female, escort or shopkeeper, is totally wrong.

Go back to Ruhama or TORL with your latest find, I'm sure they will be delighted to pounce on this for their cause.

[nick2010]

recently i met an escort who had been terrorised by four thugs who stole everything she had on the ruse that one was a customer who forgot his keys, they hit her and frightened her out of her wits, thank god nothing worse, she was on her own, touring escorts are enormously exposed, living out of suitcases, sometimes the apartments are a mess, some escorts have to buy their own bed linen because they have high standards for them selves and their customers, the guys who call and dont show up, the abusive callers, the great unwashed are all bad enough, the violent nutjobs are anathema, a boil on society, this woman is tiny, speaks better english than most and was an easy target, within missing a beat she was back at work within days in new town meeting more ananymous strangers all of whom could be a threat to her life, obviously she works for a living, hopefully enjoys some of it, you sit in an apartment all day waiting for a call, hoping it will be ok, have to look your best, perform to the best of your ability, otherwise you might get a bad review from an otherwise good guy or a freak, anyone who has worked in a service industry knows the pubc are dangerous freaks, in the field of providing sexual services with all the paranoia involved, how bad could that be?
Soe years ago i was in a relatioship with an escort. leaving aside the obvious jealousy, fear, withdrawal, there was the dread of real harm coming to someone you adored, nightly phone calls, separation, thankfully she gave up the job which she always wanted to do, which of us men could look good 24 hours a day, be ready for action at 10 mins notice, make the right noises, send you home happy and then be ready for the next gift from god, these are extraordinary courageous people, when you complain about their prices, ask yourself what you would charge not for just your time butyour actual being, the wonderful woman i met is young, a little inexperienced, who could have just given up after this trauma in a foreign country, these incomparable women fill a void in our lives, celebrate them, walk in their shoes and you will see

If you all only knew how tough escort life can be ... Thanks Zicoo to appreciate all the effort we put in our business.
I hope that girl is doing well and please God that never happens again.
It's getting common in Ireland escorts become target to trouble makers It's getting scary really
Escorts have to expend even more money to become more secure and sometimes losing money depending on the client manners on the phone .... Even though he can be a harmless client We are getting more and more suspicious and that is really not good.
At the end of the day we escorts have to reckon on our faith and lucky and most of all believe the clients will be at least respectful towards to escorts.
We are here to make our clients happy Why harm and hurt us?
So unfair.

[outsida]

Could'nt agree more. It makes me sick to think of how low some people can treat other human beings.

[SR71]

I am sorry to hear this, unfortunately it is a common occurrence. If possible, please encourage your friend to approach the Guards. This type of thing can and will only be stopped if we stand up and show these people attacks on us will not be tolerated, in the same way you cannot expect to rob any woman living quietly in the privacy of what is effectively her home for the duration. If she doesnt feel able to do that, and she advertises here, if she post anonymously in our forum we can at least try and help.

Nice post

She might be afraid to go to the guards. She doesnt know anyone in the town in question maybe?

[Cable87]

There are plenty of situations of abuse, theft, violence that do not involve escorts.
All of them are equally wrong.
Based on your argument we should ban all men from visiting the following locations

1) banks, in case they decide to bring shotguns, knives, baseball bats etc along to rob it.
2) post office, for the same reason as 1
3) local shop, for the same reason as 1
4) anywhere where there is the potential for monetary gain through illegal methods
5) anywhere that they might encounter a potential victim for their nastiness - the local park, down by the river etc

Violence and abuse against anyone, male or female, escort or shopkeeper, is totally wrong.

Go back to Ruhama or TORL with your latest find, I'm sure they will be delighted to pounce on this for their cause.

You could add pubs and loads of other public places to that list too. I've worked as a doorman, and I can tell you that anywhere that there's alcohol being served, there's the potential for even greater violence and abuse. Making it all illegal certainly isn't the answer to this or most other problems. It can't be the case that a few that would commit acts like this make something illegal across the board for all who would partake of those services. Decriminalisation and better regulation would be a much better route to go towards solving the problem.

[Minxx]

Well i stand by what i said. After all some advertisers on this thread have claimed it is a common occurence. However if it is really that common i cannot understand why these women lower themselves into such a risky way of making a few quid
Perhaps the very action of buying sex is in itself abusive to the women?

[anitasizzle]

Reflecting on all the support and posts on this thread, I have one fear. A girl who is attacked/robbed goes to the Gardai, anti escort groups such as Rhuama will use these attacks to further demonise the services provided. As punters, we find it difficult to speak out on behalf of the girls and that is the problem. The more I think about it, the more I want to do something positive...problem is I can't actually work out what is the best thing to do....if anyone comes up with a way, we the punters, can help without compromising existing relationships etc...then please post and I for one will join in.

Unfortunately, it would greatly benefit escorts if the burden of arrest fell on the client as oppos3e to an escort; one would be less likely to want to rob an escort if they thought it was undercover Garda.

And I hope the girl mentioned above went to Garda because not only was she robbed, she was also raped since the so called client took the money/