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    Default Verified Pics + Reviews - IMPORTANT

    Hello All,

    It used to be the case that when you saw "Verified" pics on E-I, you could pretty much count on getting the girl in the pic, but the last few months there have been serveral cases of "Fake Verified" pics as the clients would say.

    Naturally, this is of concern, to me, and to all clients that use this website.

    I know our critics like to blame all this on E-I... But I have to defend our staff in this regard, because I know they work really hard to correctly judge photos as "Verified" or "Not Verified" and I think they are doing the best job they can in the circumstances.

    Essentially, we CANNOT personally visit all the escorts listed on this website regularly to check they are who they say they are - I know this is what a lot of clients would like us to do but IT WOULD ACTUALLY BE AGAINST THE LAW FOR US TO DO THIS (It would make us organisers and controllers of prostitution to be precise!).

    So, we can have to rely on other methods to verify or not verify photos as genuine, like getting the word of an escort photographer, client or other person we feel we can trust that photos are genuine, or getting ladies to send us pictures of themselves holding todays newspaper or similar to confirm they look like the girl in the pics they've sent us to publish.

    For a couple of years, I think our methods for verifying photos have worked pretty well, but the last few months they don't seem to be working as well, and I think we have to be honest about this and do something about it now.

    In an ideal world there wouldn't be a continual stream of escorts using fake photos and trying to fool us into believing they are real, but this isn't an ideal world and unfortunately this is happening more and more.

    I know some clients have been very vocal lately telling us to 'pull our socks up' etc in this regard. What these clients don't seem to realise is that our staff never stop working very hard to make sure the information published on this site is as accurate as possible, but the problems we have faced in this area lately have been massive... The only reason clients haven't realised how massive they've become is that Sarah and Natasha have been doing a fantastic job at not being fooled by lying escorts 99+% of the time.

    So, what are we to do... Should we simply get rid of the Verified / Non-Verified Photos system? It seems a shame to do that, but I'd be the first to admit that there is no point having it if it is not working.

    Before we go down that road though, I've had an idea that I hope may improve things. It is not without flaws, but it is the best idea I've got, and I would like to at least trial it for 1 month:

    My idea, the new rule, is: ESCORTS WHO HAVE OPTED OUT OF THE REVIEWS SYSTEM CANNOT HAVE VERIFIED GENUINE PHOTOS.

    This means, if escorts want to have verified photos, they are going to have to accept reviews also... They can no longer have their photos verified genuine and refuse all reviews.

    The problem with allowing ladies to have verified photos and refuse reviews is that certain ladies abuse this system.

    A common example: An escort who has verified photos decides to leave town, but, instead of cancelling her ad, she gives it to a friend. The friend and the original escort are obviously not the same person and thus the clients calling for the escort are now being conned as they are no longer getting what they expected to get... However, because the lady is opted out of the review system, the clients can't share this information and thus the scam just continues on and on, wasting clients' time and money and giving this site a bad name and the industry a bad name.

    We have to put a stop to scams like the above and the only logical way I can think to do that is if we now say to escorts "Sorry - If you are not going to allow reviews we cannot verify your photos genuine."

    I'm sorry more and more ladies have chosen not to accept reviews over time. I know there are ladies out there who have opted out of the reviews system for valid reasons nothing to do with their being a poor service provider, but there are also ladies opted out because they are poor service providers, and, at least when nearly everyone was accepting reviews if a picture verification was wrong the clients could have their say in a review, but now the client cannot even do that if the lady has opted out of reviews.

    I know this solution isn't perfect, but I would really appreciate support and feedback from good clients and good escorts alike here - I am not the bad guy here - The bad guys are the escorts determinted to get fake photos verified genuine and then refuse all reviews so the clients they con can't ever warn others... And we have to put a stop to this for the good of this industry.

    Pat x
    Last edited by Patricia; 10-11-07 at 00:45.

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    Hi Patricia, 10 out of 10 for that idea. How about a freelance photographer to work with E.I. If he takes the photos and verifies it, you know it is real and so does the clients. Just another idea.

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    ESCORTS WHO HAVE OPTED OUT OF THE REVIEWS SYSTEM CANNOT HAVE VERIFIED GENUINE PHOTOS.
    Sorry, but I think that's dumb.
    I both allow reviews and have verified pics, so i'm not whinging out of personal loss- but while reviews are allowed like some of the crackers- 'I tried to call her and she didn't answer, what a bitch' type stuff, then that is grossly unfair. 'Cos if I get one of those little gems that seem to be taken as allowable here, i'll be opting out too, and you can verify my photo's with no trouble whatsoever-
    Same as any other girl-
    Get them to send in via email a quick amateur snap holding up a paper with the date on, for you to compare to the pictures they submitted.

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    Thumbs up Patricia

    Patricia that is a brilliant idea!!!!!!
    It would, I believe, solve two problems at once ................ pure genius!!!

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    Thanks everyone for your feedback.

    Get them to send in via email a quick amateur snap holding up a paper with the date on, for you to compare to the pictures they submitted.
    We already do this quite often, but it doesn't always work... All it can possibly confirm is that the girl in the photos is allowing her photos to go on E-I... Unfortunately in numerous cases I've monitored the girl in the photos who has had her photos verified with us is not the one actually answering her phone once the ad goes up... And THIS is the problem.

    I am aware my current idea is not perfect though, and I am really interested in all this feedback. Please also feel free to PM me any ladies with any concerns that you would prefer to air in private.

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    Thumbs up Time and effort appreciated

    Firstly i would like to applaud:cool Patrica and her able team for all the work they have put in to hopefully solving this annoying problem that seems to take up countless ammounts of threads on these message boards.
    Secondly i would like to thank APPOLINE for showing all the board members how *foul language removed* (stupid) she is at long last, but im sure you all can see the time and effort she put into her post.I personally believe that her loyalities lie within the confines of another escort directory but when it comes to money you must advertise where is most lucrative for YOU.
    Last edited by Patricia; 10-11-07 at 18:01.
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    Thanks for your feedback deleteduser.

    Quote Originally Posted by deleteduser
    1. I think verification of photos post agreement to accept reviews should be mandatory. Too many times I have trusted the photos, but no review, and EVERY time I have been let down without fail.
    I'm not sure I get your point here... It is not making complete sense to me! Maybe you can explain better if you think it is necessary.

    Quote Originally Posted by deleteduser
    2. What about if on the advert, the opportunity for the escort was given for "Reason for opting out of review system.." This could give them a forum to appease perusers of the site and to justify their decision. I can't personally think of ANY justification, but the chance to speak should be offered.
    I'm not sure this would help anything much... All escorts could give a genuine seeming reason here, but would clients be able to trust them? I don't see why they would.

    Quote Originally Posted by deleteduser
    3. Scoring / Rating, something similar to www.hotornot.com could be introduced. Often in the escorts review section you see a long list of reviews, but there could be a bad one in there that you don't read, so another column beside "date", for example could be included for putting % score.
    I think this is probably a good idea and something we should unless other people can give good reasons for us not doing it.

    Quote Originally Posted by deleteduser
    4. I understand and realise that these forums are available for the escorts to respond to negative reviews, but I believe that they should be able to append their own "censored" comment in reply to negative reviews. And obviously not be able to "censor" the review itself as Patricia and her crew do this already. Perhaps a client was rude when arriving, and the escort was offended resulting in poor gfe - these girls are human after all.
    We actually let escorts add comments on the actual reviews as you are suggesting already. The problem seems to be that many escorts, once faced with any sort of negative review, seem to prefer to simply opt-out of reviews rather than respond and defend themselves.

    On here and by PM some escorts have already told me why they don't like reviews.

    As Appoline says, she feels we let guys add comments like 'I tried to call her and she didn't answer, what a bitch' and this is wrong. I would have to agree that if we are lettting comments exactly like that go up, that isn't really on, but I'm not sure I'm totally with Appoline... I think 'bitch' should be removed as it is rude and unneccessary to call names like that, but I think clients should be able to comment on an escort that has let them down when they've made a booking with her for example.

    Other escorts have said they would allow reviews if they were not lurid, i.e. we should remove the services info from reviews and keep the content 'clean'. I'm currently investigating whether we could move to a 3-tiered system. [1] No Reviews Allowed [2] Reviews allowed [3] Partial Reviews Allowed (e.g. Ratings but no services info and no comments box for clients to possibly write lurid comments in). Implimenting this would be quite a lot of work technically I think, but if it is a good way forward, we'll do that work.

    Thank you to everyone who has been supportive over this and please keep giving feedback.

    Pat x

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrsbrown View Post
    Secondly i would like to thank APPOLINE for showing all the board members how *foul language removed* (stupid) she is at long last....
    MrsBrown, please don't call other people names that are foul language... You may not mean to cause serious offense, but some people on this board might find it seriously offensive... It is better we all just don't call each other nasty names

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    'Loyalty' to a board is neither one thing nor another, to me.
    Who am I loyal to? Myself...
    I'll advertise where it suits me, and pay where it works for me... Which seems to be heinously offensive to some, evidently, but is appreciated as good business, both by escorts and the sites that sell ads to them.
    But I will say, that the manners and conduct of some of the people here, must surely give some indication as to why so few girls bother with this forum and the reviews therein, even in comparison to it's rivals... Who on earth can be bothered to spend their personal time being insulted by some wannabe hiding behind a nickname on a message board for giving their opinion when asked- and not, when not asked, as certain people are apt to- Mmm, I think that'll be the end of that for me.
    I have reviews on several other sites where the sites don't have this kind of problem for whatever reason, so if I opt out of the review system due to the muppetry that goes on here (point in case, the response to me in this thread) I will simply add a line in bold to my advert profile, advising people to go straight to my site to find my reviews and evidence of my genuine pictures... As will a lot of genuine girls, I should think, who find it borderline offensive to be treated as fakes for not allowing their name to be blackened maliciously in mickey mouse reviews or called every name going on a forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Appoline View Post
    As will a lot of genuine girls, I should think, who find it borderline offensive to be treated as fakes for not allowing their name to be blackened maliciously in mickey mouse reviews
    I do understand your point of view Appoline.

    I find the ladies - like yourself - who come on this forum and get involved in the discussions - whether I generally agree with their views or not - are usually the most honest ones going, and, if all escorts were like you, we wouldn't be having this discussion as there wouldn't be a problem.

    My issue is that - unfortunately - certain ladies are abusing this website and the clients they get from it by getting fake photos verified genuine and then refusing reviews so clients can't have their say. And we have to put a stop to this bullshit.

    Currently we are struggling to find a satifactory way to verify photos as genuine to an acceptable level of accuracy and I feel if we had ladies with verified genuine photos taking reviews, that would serve as some sort of back up to our verification system... Because at least if we got it wrong, the clients could tell everyone this. At the moment if we get it wrong and the lady doesn't accept reviews, we often don't even hear about it, so the mistakes and lies continue on.

    There are many escorts that advertise on this website that are honest and these escorts are never our problem. Then there are the escorts that I wouldn't describe as totally dishonest, but I feel should be encouraged to be totally honesty in their advertising as they are not always being totally honest currently. Then there are the toe-rags who are out to rip everyone off. I'm sorry - but these ladies do exist - You may say I should never speak like this of our customers but sometimes they aren't even our customers... They write us a cheque to pay for their advertising then a week after they've left they contact their bank and say it was cheque fraud, so we end up having to give them the money back as it is less hassle that fighting them... And you guessed it, these are the exact same ladies that I get clients writing to me about every week saying they've been ripped off by them.

    We are in a unique position here. The escort industry is not like any other industry... People like their privacy... I can't ask every escort that advertises here to provide me with her passport ID before I take her ad so as to stop the bad ladies coming back every month under a new alias, and clients can't take the ladies to the small claims court when they get ripped off. It is a unique situation we have here and I think we have to come up with unique and inventive solutions to tackle the problems.

    Pat x

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