Gardai start implimenting "zero tolerance " to kerb crawling!

[Mioux]

I didn't respond to the previous poster due to his use of the word hooker.

In response to you, I'm totally torn to be honest. i can see the pros and cons of both sides, this is why I'm fence sitting.

However in relation to on street prostitution, from my experience, i think it needs to go and better choices given to the women who turn to it.

[Morpheus]

I didn't respond to the previous poster due to his use of the word hooker.

In response to you, I'm totally torn to be honest. i can see the pros and cons of both sides, this is why I'm fence sitting.

However in relation to on street prostitution, from my experience, i think it needs to go and better choices given to the women who turn to it.

Thank you for being honest Mioux. I have always sensed a certain hostility and /or disdain from you towards male client posters on this site. I fully appreciate that escorting is not an easy profession and brings a lady into contact with the best and the worst this world has to offer. (The best being the money and the worst being horrible clients, police, public predjudice etc.) I can only imagine that your experiences have coloured your opinion of clients and men in general. Which is how any of us form opinions and views anyway.

Therefore even though I don't agree with your stance on some of these issues, I respect your views as I have no doubt that they are born out of previous experiences (some of which I'm sure were not pretty).

I will always view the world and the industry from a man's and client's pespective - because that is what I am. Hence even at the best of times I fear that we will never see eye to eye. So I hope you will forgive my predjudice against Ruhamma and the TORL campaign - because whatever 'good' they may be doing, they will certainly end my involvement with escorts, if they are successful in their campaign. And seeing escorts is the major joy in my life (sad as that may sound to you).

I agree with you that street escorting is very dangerous for the women involved. (of course some argue that that any form of escorting is too dangerous). As for other options - I'm not sure if Ruhamma or any other organisations provide this. Essentially the said ladies need money. I'm not sure who is going pay them or where the money will come form to take them off the streets? I suspect that some (if not many) involved in street escorting, may be fuelling their drug habits. So unless the addiction is addressed first, it's pointless taking them off the streets (or stopping their clients - who are the source of their income). I have read/seen certain organisations that work with street escorts (in other coutries) that try to help them by providing a safer, cleaner place to work and healthcare for them (rather than preventing them from working by criminalizing their clients). It is the dark side of escorting but I'm not sure that there are easy solutions.

Apologies for the long ramble. Thank you again for your honesty. As mentioned above, I believe that everyone is entitled to their views and therefore, I respect yours. And hope that we can agree to disagree amicably.

[Mioux]

It's so refreshing when people don't immediately read bitchiness in what is just various points being pointed out, or take it personally and get overly defensive. It's so nice also when people don't assume they know you or how you feel about anything because you used to be an escort. Its also so nice when an opinion from someone who has worked a long long time in the industry is actually respected, even if it isn't saying what you want to hear.
Thanks Morpheus.

[Morpheus]

It's so refreshing when people don't immediately read bitchiness in what is just various points being pointed out, or take it personally and get overly defensive. It's so nice also when people don't assume they know you or how you feel about anything because you used to be an escort. Its also so nice when an opinion from someone who has worked a long long time in the industry is actually respected, even if it isn't saying what you want to hear.
Thanks Morpheus.

It is very much the fact that were a former escort that lends credence and substance to your opinions/views. I would be quite confrontational if I heard those views from others but pay attention when its coming from a former escort.

I believe I am a good client. I am punctual, and always clean and always polite. I pay up front and never haggle. (There are some ladies that I see regularly, who have dropped their hourly rates. I pay them what I always did prior to their new rates, because I believe it shows appreciation). I am also extremely grateful to the ladies who've seen me and continue to do so, for all they give me (sexual pleasure, intimacy, fun and laughs, massaging my delicate male ego etc..)

I also believe that all the ladies I have seen are doing it of their own free will . (Granted no girl grows up dreaming of being an escort, but life doesn't always turn out the way we all imagine it should). And while it is a hard job, the hourly rate is good money - at least for the more established ladies (in comparison to other more mundane jobs).

The TORL campaign and Ruhamma have a zero tolerance policy to escorting. They claim that no woman in her right mind can choose to be an escort. They say that people like me are abusers and criminals and sex offenders. Which is a hard pill to swallow. So it is very hard for me to see any sense in their actions, even though I am against women being forced or trafficked into escorting.

But while I have no time for them, I am certainly interested in the opinions of escorts (present or former) - as there is some teeth to what you all have to say, in my book anyway.

[gentelmandave]

Why isnt it made legal to see an escort, get rid off the pimps and let the girls that want to do it have the support off others and not feel isolated like a lot off girls do now? let the escorts control who they see not the pimp

[Morpheus]

Why isnt it made legal to see an escort, get rid off the pimps and let the girls that want to do it have the support off others and not feel isolated like a lot off girls do now? let the escorts control who they see not the pimp

I totally agree Dave. And I think the majority of posters on this site will favour complete legalisation of escorting both for providers and users.

However, I do think that legalisation should come along with regulation and policing to ensure that organised criminals don't try to take control. (Of course criminalizing escorts and clients will only ensure that the industry is driven deeper underground into the control of organized criminals.)

Unfortunately I think Ireland is still too conservative and ill-informed to hope for legalisation at present. I just hope that the TORL campaign don't succeed in making it completely illegal.

I would be happy to stick to the current state of the law as a compromise. The one thing I hope would change immediately would be the definiton of a brothel. I would hope that they would relax this so that a miminum of two girls can work together legally without fear of eviction or prosecution (for their own safety). However, E-I wrote to TD's about this a couple of years ago and got no response whatsoever. The proposal was heavily opposed and critisized by the TORL campaign.

[gentelmandave]

I think its crazy two girls cant work together, a brothel?? thats a joke. The problem is the pimps, i say give the power to escorts, let them work together,vett customers, and stop all the abuse. i know its not that simple but the more people know and talk about it the better

[rubberbootlvr]

[QUOTE][It's so refreshing when people don't immediately read bitchiness in what is just various points being pointed out, or take it personally and get overly defensive. [[/QUOTE

]And even more so if somone makes a counter point to an arguement and arent immediately jumped on and patronised and talked down to!

Its also so nice when an opinion from someone who has worked a long long time in the industry is actually respected, even if it isn't saying what you want to hear

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Well you dont earn "respect" by outrightly attacking somone for having a differing view.It immediately gives the impression that you are unable or so set in your opinated way that no other view is acceptable.Your view or no view.Being an expert in any field gives you no right to go and attack somone outright and then claim they are being" overly defensive" or taking it personally.

Then if a normal street word for your job insults you and you take your ball and go home,isnt that a bit childish??I've been called plenty of sht names to my face for my job,and you know what??Doesnt matter abit!So if you dont want to respond fine..

Now that besides.. I have used many call girls,prostitutes,hookers,[or whatever the PC term is],by myself and with my girlfriend and quite frankly we have never come across one girl be it in Ireland,Germany or Holland that sounded or looked or acted like she wasnt there willingly of her own free will.This is the gamut from brothel girls to high class S&M dominas with their own stable of "sluts" to be used by their clients.It's intresting that when you have your girlfriend with you,the "girltalk",and if there is one thing that a woman will pick up on is another woman in distress or having a problem.Any of them we asked as to why they were doing this was simply the money was too good. Off the top of my head, I remember two legal secetaries,a accountant,a college Co ed studying molecuar science and putting herself thru college by working in a brothel in Munich ditto for two lap dancers in the US doing the same,and one girl working as a sexslave/slut to a dominatrix in Hamburg who had a hubby and family but just enjoyed kinky sex alot and the money was a nice side line for paying for the family holiday villa in the Alps.
Thats my own personal experiance,and I'm not claiming it is 100% like that in all cases,but all I can comment on is what I've experianced.
ONE thing they did all say was they wanted better protection In law..Literally from BOTH sides of the law.The cops betimes are worse than the pimps and johns.Stories abound of the vice squad"bad lieutanants" getting freebies for the police precint in brothels,under the threat of being raided and harrassed out of busisness.Or worse the police being in the pay of the pimps and gangs and actually turning a blind eye to whatever complaints from the girls ..

Thats my personal experiance with escorts.All of them I've found to be pleasent,intresting,and welcome company with some amazing stories in their lives.wether true or not ,irrevelant.anything we did was a both party between adult willing transaction.
Not to mind providing a very useful service to humanity.If it isnt for the working girl out there.I do belive we would have more rapes ,sex murders,and child sex abuse.They are a saftey valve for society and should be rightly commended for this rather no doubt unpleasent job too.But then again somone has to go down the sewers and clean them,others have to haul garbage,others have to arrest and detain the worst scum of society.All are looked down on as unworthy.

All in all it seems we have replaced one extremist intolerant bunch of religious hyprocrites in power,with potentially just as much extremist views and intolerance of the trade ,under the new exremeist religions of political correctness and feminism in Ireland.
C'est plus ce'la change.

[Mioux]

You don't call escorts hookers. It's one degree below calling them a whore. This is why I'm no longer interacting with you.

[longtipp]

Is there any need for ladies to work the streets anymore? With the use of mobile phones, all they need is a way of advertising their number, then they can sell their time and companionship. The big prob is stupid punters hasseling non sexworkers in red light areas. In recent years I've only picked up one street girl, even then I approached her on the street and got her phone number, then aranged an appointment outside the area. For working girls to be left alone by the law they need to work descretely. If members of the public complain, Gardai have to respond.
I would like to see the situation where 2 girls could work together, but unless they are very careful, 2 or more girls working together will generate a noticable client stream, especially in residential areas, that combined with humping noises will lead to complaints from the public.
I know this post doesn 't address organised nutcase organisations but these organisations would loose some of their financial support if the public had less to complain about.