Barmen not guilty

[monster_monster]

It is a tricky one

Is the bar responsible for the wellbeing of itsn clientel considering there is a good chance that a lot of them will not be able to make decesions as they will be inhibriated. Honestly I think that he should not ahve been served that amount of drink at any stage but then again if he bought them in an off licence or Dunnes etc would they be held accountable for teh same outcome?


Ha ha Willie Stroker
Move over Dick Spring

Back to you in the studio

The store can't be held accountable, we they only sell you the booze unopened, what you do with it is then up to you. Those barmen put a lethal dose of alcohol into a pint glass and gave it to someone who was already pissed knowing full well he was going to drink it.

[itstimenow]

sorry 4 changin the subject but this has been n my mind a while now.sumtin similar to this really.if a person with a provisional licence purchases a 2nd hand or new sports car,,,subaru b4 legacy turbo charge or honda integra type r and rings up a few insurance companys and one of them decide to insure him for a nice price of around 4-5k ..later the person crashes the car killing a few others or seriously injuring others,,who shud be held responsible?? the driver??? or the insurance company for insuring the person giving him or her the green light to hit the roads in such a fast high powered car knowing they wer not qualifeid to handle???

[lovethegirls]

http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0512/parishg.html

[Fitzy]

It's a terrible case a man lost his life will things change I don't think so a publican will always put profit before people unless the law is changed in some way to make the publican and barstaff reasonable which I can't see happening it would just be a legal minefield.

[monster_monster]

sorry 4 changin the subject but this has been n my mind a while now.sumtin similar to this really.if a person with a provisional licence purchases a 2nd hand or new sports car,,,subaru b4 legacy turbo charge or honda integra type r and rings up a few insurance companys and one of them decide to insure him for a nice price of around 4-5k ..later the person crashes the car killing a few others or seriously injuring others,,who shud be held responsible?? the driver??? or the insurance company for insuring the person giving him or her the green light to hit the roads in such a fast high powered car knowing they wer not qualifeid to handle???

the insurance company will insure the person on the condition that he/she has a full licence holder beside them in the car at all time and are abiding by the rules of the road. If they are not doing both of these things their insurance is null and void, as such they are not covered and we all know when you have no insurance you can not drive. So IMO it's the persons fault not the companies.

[City Gent]

That's a very tragic event. Made worse by the fact that he was celebrating the birth of his son. I used to live in the States, and while working as a barman, you had an obligation to avoid serving customers alcohol who you knew would be driving home. For once, maybe we could learn something from across the pond.

The same law has been in place for a fair few years now in England mate and an excellent law it is. The law is there because when you are pissed you don't always make your best decisions, so the bar staff should be there to make sure you don't order and drink a half pint of spirits in one go.

Just let me ask the posters that think the two guys shouldn't have been charged one thing, if it was your brother doing the same what would your opinion of the barman that served him the drink that killed him be?


CG

[bhoywonder]

No mate that's like saying if a rapist is found not guilty then all rapists will be found not guilty, each case will be judged on it's own merits.


CG

that makes no sense. surely if someone is charged with rape and they are found not guilty then the conclusion is that they did not commit the crime in the first place

i think what BIGTYm is saying that here a precedent has been created. this arguement could be made in a similar case.

btw, it was found that neither manager or barman had any specific training to deal with such a situation, so maybe it is the hotels fault for not having adequaely trained their staff?

[Sexy Sandy 69]

The licensing laws in the UK changed a few years back, putting some responsibility in the hands of the barman & the licencee, both of whom could be fined or face jail if they knowily served a drunk more alcholol resulting in death, knowily allowing a drunk person to drive from the premises or serve a lethal amount of alcholol to a person.

However, I do think that they is also a degree of personal responsibility that should be taken into account. The guy went out to get drunk, he would've known he was drunk, his mates would've known he was drunk, his mates were probably all in on it aswell, as the saying goes 'they've all got blood on all their hands'. A tragic story that will hopefully serve as a lesson to some, but I doubt it, it's not the first such death & I'm sorry to say I doubt it will be the last, we, as a society have encouraged a 'drink culture' & it will continue.

Sandy x

[bhoywonder]

i think personal responsibility is a big issue here. he might have had a few drinks before hand but im sure he still knew what he was doing. and this was a bet too. i betcha he had done this many times before. very unlikey that it was his first time doing it.

[John Shaft]

Justice done, I am glad the two men were acquited. The DPP should have known full well that the case was never going to stick. I know there is a law there that they were supposed to have broken, but I don't think it can ever be proven in a court of law whether or not a person was fit to be served drink. We all have different tolerance levels - I know a man who drank over half a dozen whiskeys and still passed the breathalizer test. The same amount of drink would put someone else in a coma. There is no legal definition of drunkenness, it's all a matter of opinion whether any of us think someone can or can't handle more.

All the attention has focused on the barmen. What about the dead man's friends who were content to leave him in a heap on the floor of a pub? Should they not have seen to it that he was taken home and put into his own bed? Should they not have told him that slamming 8 shots on his head after a heap of pints was not a good idea in the first place?

When all is said and done, personal responsibility has to come into it. People know the potential effects on their behaviour of too much drink and should accept the potential consequences. Some who goes out and gets shitfaced with full prior knowledge of what they are about to do can't really blame others for the fallout.