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    I dare not hijack the other thread currently on the go so here's a new one.

    I just seem to recall that there have been threads on the topic of this new legislation in Ireland on here in recent weeks/months and there were some opinions floating about that in practice it would have little or no impact due to difficulties associated with policing the new regulations, if enacted.

    So what's changed ? Why the campaign ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Banjo View Post
    I dare not hijack the other thread currently on the go so here's a new one.

    I just seem to recall that there have been threads on the topic of this new legislation in Ireland on here in recent weeks/months and there were some opinions floating about that in practice it would have little or no impact due to difficulties associated with policing the new regulations, if enacted.

    So what's changed ? Why the campaign ?
    I think in the short term if the clients were criminalised it would have a fairly sharp effect,with a considerable drop in buisness
    for the ladies as clients would be very scared. But in the longer term a way would be found, but it would definitely change the
    way it is operated at the moment,alot more outcalls etc. I guess that the campaign is being run for a few reasons 1/ Its good
    advertising ,if picked up by the media it will generate a few lines in the tabloid press, any publicity is good publicity 2/ It would
    deff hit the earning potential of the site as in the short term anyway less girls would come, less girls less revenue 3/ It would
    make it very difficult for agencies to work here as guys deff wouldnt want to be then going to places with heavy footfall that
    would be easy stake out. I suppose what im really saying is its mostly down to the almighty buck, it would be much preffered if the status quo prevailed
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    criminaliation of punters in sweden has had a huge impact; most now are scared to punt at home and they go to other countries like latvia oin booze and sex breaks; the few escorts that do work there charge upwards of the equivalent of 200eur per half hour.......

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    What is the new legislation? Ive always been of the understanding that independent escorting is pretty much legal here right? Will the new legislation change that? Anyway id guess 99.9999% of politicians wouldnt get behind any campaign in support of completely legal escorts or brothels as the majority of the voting public wouldnt support it imo. Call me cynical but its probably just to generate interest in the website as people surely people must realise that any campaign is gona fail. Maybe in another generation or two when society has developed that bit further and religion has died out even more it would succeed but until then i just couldnt ever imagine the joe duffy crowd and politicians going for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kelso View Post
    criminaliation of punters in sweden has had a huge impact; most now are scared to punt at home and they go to other countries like latvia oin booze and sex breaks; the few escorts that do work there charge upwards of the equivalent of 200eur per half hour.......
    The up side for the girls that do work there though is the rate is higher and even though they may not be quite as busy
    as other places the better rate means they will earn roughly the same. Another plus to working there is that u have very
    few time wasters compared to here as mostly only genuine clients will ring. Once a thing is illegal it can cut out lots of the
    messers and finally apparently the clients there present themselves immacualetly groomed
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    Quote Originally Posted by kelso View Post
    criminaliation of punters in sweden has had a huge impact; most now are scared to punt at home and they go to other countries like latvia oin booze and sex breaks; the few escorts that do work there charge upwards of the equivalent of 200eur per half hour.......
    what a state abandons to the fringes, criminals will gladly move in.
    exploiting what remains for a greater street price.

    result: society paying a higher price.
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    A general campaign like this is unlikely to make much progress.
    If 1000 people 'Like' the Facebook campaign, the general public will interpret that as 1000 degenerates out to abuse sex workers, including those trafficed (sic).
    Any campaign driven by clients just wont be credible in the eyes of the public.
    The only way for this to work is for escorts to stand up for themselves and put forward their case that it is possible to have consenting sex for money.
    The best approach might be for escorts, or representatives, to negotiate with the anti-sex work campaign groups to make the proposed laws compatible with the work of genuine escorts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bedridden View Post
    A general campaign like this is unlikely to make much progress.
    If 1000 people 'Like' the Facebook campaign, the general public will interpret that as 1000 degenerates out to abuse sex workers, including those trafficed (sic).
    Any campaign driven by clients just wont be credible in the eyes of the public.
    The only way for this to work is for escorts to stand up for themselves and put forward their case that it is possible to have consenting sex for money.
    The best approach might be for escorts, or representatives, to negotiate with the anti-sex work campaign groups to make the proposed laws compatible with the work of genuine escorts.
    I tend to agree with u,also there was a petition started here some time back and it met with a very very poor response,
    The problem generally with a site of this nature is that the owners, the advertisers, the users who are non forum members
    and the forum users will all have different agendas and each will put their own needs first
    Blatant promotion should be outlawed
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobby24 View Post
    What is the new legislation? Ive always been of the understanding that independent escorting is pretty much legal here right? Will the new legislation change that? Anyway id guess 99.9999% of politicians wouldnt get behind any campaign in support of completely legal escorts or brothels as the majority of the voting public wouldnt support it imo. Call me cynical but its probably just to generate interest in the website as people surely people must realise that any campaign is gona fail. Maybe in another generation or two when society has developed that bit further and religion has died out even more it would succeed but until then i just couldnt ever imagine the joe duffy crowd and politicians going for it.
    I would caution against being complacent. The anti- escorting movement (they call themselves anti-trafficking) is very organised. Check out "Turn off the red light" website. Pat Rabbit of the Labour party has already promised to enact the bill if labour comes into power. I know politicians are liars but this would be a very soft bill to pass. Head shops were closed down overnight (so that all control is now in the hands of hardcore drug dealers). I fear the same thing could happen with this bill. Do not console youself that it is a minority that is supporting this bill. They are a strong political lobby. I wish it were otherwise, but I seriously fear the end of escorting as we know it in Ireland. It may also be the end of E-I. Of course there will always be escorting in Ireland, but it will be run by pimps/ organised crime and prices will be exorbitant as in Sweden. I suggest we all support the blue light campaign by E-I and post some reasonable arguments. The more posts the better.
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