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    Quote Originally Posted by carlos marvado View Post
    As the economic situation has been mentioned here, I do not believe it would make good financial sense for an escort to turn away a client who is virtually waiting outside her door with his money when she also has a booking from another client for approximately the same time, who may or may not actually turn up on time or at all.
    So, let's get this straight Carlos, you, as an Escort-Ireland mod think that it is OK for an E-I escort to accept a booking from an E-I client who has seen a current profile advertised on the site despite the fact that she has no intention of carrying the booking through to reality?

    Is that like, the official E-I stand on this issue? Come on, you are poncing about with your E-I status, is that really E-I policy on this matter? You really think that it is OK for an escort to undertake a booking, thus stopping me from making a booking with another escort when she will not even answer the phone when I turn up?

    What pays for this website? Yes, in the first instance, it is the escort advertisers. But where do they get the money? Actually, it is from people like me. The clients. There I was ready to shell out for a punt, ready to hike through the effing snow and back for over an hour and you as a site mod are telling me that it is OK for escorts to take my booking and not even have the grace to tell me that they do not want to accept my business?

    Because of what?

    I put around five hundred Euros a month into punts with escorts on this site and you as a site moderator think that it is OK to tell escorts that they can dick me about and make and break appointments at their whim?

    Fine, good for you. I can change nothing about E-I policy and you clearly feel that it is OK for escorts here to treat client bookings as mere fiction.

    To any escorts reading this far, Carlos the man has just pissed away five hundred Euros a month of your business.

    If you want that money, you had better get your ads on other Dublin escort sites.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sasha eve View Post
    Answer to Sharskin
    For me i don’t wish to be n 4 or 5 escorts
    Sasha, if you are so effin' precious as that, I do not want to see you ever.

    Numbers one and two on my list did not pick up their phones. Three did not want to provide the services that I requested.

    What do you want me to do? Come on, this is a serious question. You expect me to have a choice of two ladies and no more but today, the first two were not on their phones. Are you trying to tell me not to punt if numbers one and two do not answer their phones?

    That is as good as telling me not to punt any more. So, I challenge you to this:

    Go look at my profile. Go look at my reviews. Go send a pm to each and every lady that I have reveiwed and tell her the she should not have seen me because she did not meet your standards.

    Go on, do it, tell them and report back here. How far will that get you?

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    Ok a couple of things immediately come to the front for me here. Firstly Sharkskins list was not a list of appointments but more likely a list of phone numbers jotted down whilst choosing from EI. It does not mean he had made 5 appointments more a process of elimination to get one at least of the five girls to honour a booking. Secondly, timewasters or not I find it highly offensive for any girl to NOT answer her phone, or a text, immediately prior to an arranged meeting. I will allow for a situation where a girl did not believe I would show and took another punter in my place and now CANNOT answer her phone. But there is nothing more annoying than a girl that does not respond 10 minutes before as you are approaching the venue, again at the time you have arrived at the venue, and again some thirty minutes after you have waited at the venue, and again an hour and a half after you have left the venue. The point I am trying to make is the zero response, where there is no defence of double booking or whatever. This is sooo fucking annoying that I can feel for sharkskin in his anger.

    A text, be it to a TW or not is so fuckin simple. It takes one second. If a guy has made a booking and you feel he may not be kosher, please just before you take the double booking, send a little text… ‘Please,are you coming or not, I may have another booking, thank you. Kisses’.

    How fuckin hard is that….

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    “Is that like, the official E-I stand on this issue? Come on, you are poncing about with your E-I status, is that really E-I policy on this matter?”
    Mhhhhh ...

    Are you really under the impression that Escort Ireland is a regulating body for the professional escorts? If you are thinking this, that’s as far from the truth as possible. EI is a business. Getting paid from escort advertising here is the main thing.

    Of course, to stand up to a lot of competition in the beginning, they had to come with some good popular features and this is the reason why reviews, boards, chat rooms have been created. To maintain and go with the business further, seeing that escorts don’t generally pay to advertise in sites where no potential clients are visiting.

    But from these “people features” to make people think that E-I has a policy on how escorts are meeting clients …. sorry, but this is just funny for anybody who gets it.

    Mods here have the job to maintain the forums as per the posting rules. The ones in charge of the reviews are trying to take care of the reviews. The admin staff is dealing with payments, photos, profiles etc. There is nobody, not even Patricia that can dictate an escort how she is supposed to work, if she advertises her services and does her payments as per the site rules that she agrees on when joining.

    If the site would be able to tell escorts what to do behind close doors and watching their appointments, sorry but EI would not be an advertising site, EI would be in fact our employer. Which would be so wrong, from so many points of view.

    “Yet again, I made an appointment to see an escort and turned up on time.
    Turning up involved a long cold trudge over Dublin's icy streets but I made sure that I was there on time.
    I rang but there was no answer, I rang several times over five minutes and the lady could not be bothered picking up the phone.
    I had no option but to turn around and head back.
    Why take a booking if you are not going to answer the phone when the client arrives?”
    I do sympathise with you in this regard. I don’t think any professional escort should ever do that. Of course, sometimes we are just humans and even the nicest escort ever can not get time in time if she forgot to set her waking up alarm, or she could get an unexpected visit from her landlord, or god forbid something bad has happen to her and she was not able to let you know.

    If it happens once, twice, I really advise you to give some circumstances for the escorts, as really sometimes s..t is happening.

    But if this happens quite regularly, yes this is a problem.
    Some possible reasons could be:

    - Your manner of making an appointment, are you really making all possible efforts to come across as friendly and genuine? Escorts may worry you are not turning up?
    - You ring girls that have targets set and don’t care about maintaining a customer base, more likely working for agencies. From what I understand from some stories I heard, all clients get an appointment if you ring (un knownlingly) the wrong establishment and then whoever arrives first, gets admitted.

    Please note above that I listed possible reasons to have your problem often happening. You may be very nice on the phone or you genuinely think you are ringing independent escorts … I am not accusing you of anything, I just think the problem could be one of those situations.

    “What are you trying to say here sasha?
    I may have misunderstood, but it seems to me that you are saying that I should not complain about an escort failing to keep a booking because sometimes clients do not keep bookings.”
    Well, hunni, revenge going in circles is never the solution but please try to sympathise a little. I am an escort and I do that with you, without even knowing you

    What Sasha is saying is true, there are so many time wasting people these days, that even the nicest girl would have her bitter doubts at one stage. This is not an excuse of double booking, but I beg you to understand the mentality. You have it once in a while. We have it every single day, sometimes as much as 5 – 7 times per day. It depresses us, makes us be not so nice on the phone, makes us worry about paying our bills etc.

    I personally do not double book but I do understand why some of the girls are so upset. You see … you felt bitter about being stood up and you came here for understanding and getting read of frustration. We don’t always have this luxury, so what can we do with this frustration we’re feeling each day ?

    I really think that changes should be done by both clients and escorts alike.
    Clients to ensure they come across as genuine. Then turning up or if they need to cancel, to make sure they let the escort know and also give her a little advance notice. Escorts to trust a guy that comes as genuine that he will show up and not double book him.

    Of course, you cannot regulate all this. So in the meantime, you have the review system and the warning section. We have … well, we have nothing as a guy who is a serial timewaster can just change his number ….


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    In the meantime, I do feel bad that someone stood you up. Adding the cold weather and the distance travelled, it makes it 10 times worst.



    I don't think at all it is right what has happened to you but I don't think it's a good idea to be vengefull either. Because this is what probably happen at the start ... . An upset client or an escort made upset another client or escort and so on. Spreading like the black plague. Until we don't make an effort to stop it, it will get to us all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sharkskin View Post
    So, let's get this straight Carlos, you, as an Escort-Ireland mod think that it is OK for an E-I escort to accept a booking from an E-I client who has seen a current profile advertised on the site despite the fact that she has no intention of carrying the booking through to reality?
    Always glad to set the record straight. I don't think it is good from a client service point of view to take a booking and then not be available should he turn up on time. However, from an escort viewpoint, I can understand why they would operate a first come first serve system. Had you ever seen this escort before? How could she be sure you were a genuine client? Escorts, just like the rest of us don't have crystal balls. The arguement I was putting forward was from the financial perpective of an escort. What escort in her right mind would turn away a paying client standing outside her door for somebody else who may or may not show up. You also cannot claim that she had no intention of carrying out the booking, as it may have been a case of somebody else getting in ahead of you that caused you not to see her rather than any intention on her part not to see you.

    Quote Originally Posted by sharkskin View Post
    Is that like, the official E-I stand on this issue? Come on, you are poncing about with your E-I status, is that really E-I policy on this matter? You really think that it is OK for an escort to undertake a booking, thus stopping me from making a booking with another escort when she will not even answer the phone when I turn up?
    I don't ponce about with my E-I status. It's like, I'm entitled to have my own opinions, just like anybody else on this site and also to post my views once they conform to the site posting rules. No where, did I state that I was seeking to convey the policy of E-I. In any event, escorts pay to advertise on this site; they are not emloyees of E-I and therefore, I fail to see how anyone here is responsible for or should have a policy on how self-employeed escorts decide to run their business. This is basically a directory for advertisements.

    Quote Originally Posted by sharkskin View Post
    What pays for this website? Yes, in the first instance, it is the escort advertisers. But where do they get the money? Actually, it is from people like me. The clients. There I was ready to shell out for a punt, ready to hike through the effing snow and back for over an hour and you as a site mod are telling me that it is OK for escorts to take my booking and not even have the grace to tell me that they do not want to accept my business?

    Because of what?
    First part. I've made that very point myself i.e. that not just escorts, but also the punters are in effect clients or stake holders in E-I and have posted that client's interests should therefore be as important as escort's interests due to the logic of the money trail.

    Second part. No I'm not telling you that it's ok and have answered that point already.

    Quote Originally Posted by sharkskin View Post
    I put around five hundred Euros a month into punts with escorts on this site and you as a site moderator think that it is OK to tell escorts that they can dick me about and make and break appointments at their whim?
    Given that you spend 500 Euro a month on your hobby, I would imagine that this is not the first time that this has happened to you. I'm pretty sure it's happened to every punter on this site at one time or another.....it even happened to me occasionaly when I used to punt. I suspect that many probably view this as one of the hazzards of punting, just like fake pictures, poor standard of service, the gardai raiding the place when you're balls deep inside some woman etc. The case has often enough been stated that this business is very different to all others......where else, would you get supposed clients making phoney appointments or phoning up a service provider on a daily basis just to waste their time? Some of the regular posters seem to have a far better understanding of this business and the issues that escorts have to face.

    Quote Originally Posted by sharkskin View Post
    Fine, good for you. I can change nothing about E-I policy and you clearly feel that it is OK for escorts here to treat client bookings as mere fiction.
    I don't make E-I policy, no more than yourself. The Community Section is separate and unique to a great degree. You don't even have to be an escort or client to be involved and it has nothing to do with the actual coal face of client/escort bookings. However, as to escorts treating client bookings as mere fiction........that in effect is what they very well might be until the client turns up to transform fiction into fact.

    Quote Originally Posted by sharkskin View Post
    To any escorts reading this far, Carlos the man has just pissed away five hundred Euros a month of your business.

    If you want that money, you had better get your ads on other Dublin escort sites.
    If you, or anybody else, has any evidence that I have cost any escort here €500 in lost business, then kindly provide it.....otherwise stop throwing around rediculous accusations.

    You sound like a person who is used to getting exactly what they want, when they want and I suppose that you think that €500 per month will buy or guarantee you that? I think the real world, with all it's unpredictability is far more interesting, particularly when you try to view things from different perspectives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JAMESCORK View Post
    A text, be it to a TW or not is so fuckin simple. It takes one second. If a guy has made a booking and you feel he may not be kosher, please just before you take the double booking, send a little text… ‘Please,are you coming or not, I may have another booking, thank you. Kisses’.

    How fuckin hard is that….
    I do that James, but it doesn't always help.

    Let's say I get a call @ 5 pm for a booking @ 6 pm from Guy1.
    We arrange everything and then Guy2 is calling at 5:15 pm, also asking for an appointment @ 6 pm.

    Most times, Guy2 doesn't want to wait. He wants 6 p.m. or nothing at all.
    I can text Guy1 to see if he is coming only if 6 p.m. is approaching and there is no sign of him yet. But Guy2 is long gone by then and you don't ever get Guy3 to ring.

    Nice story, isn't it I'm happy I refrained myself from introducing Guy4 too, he is always the worst one

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    Quote Originally Posted by JAMESCORK View Post
    Ok a couple of things immediately come to the front for me here. Firstly Sharkskins list was not a list of appointments but more likely a list of phone numbers jotted down whilst choosing from EI. It does not mean he had made 5 appointments more a process of elimination to get one at least of the five girls to honour a booking. Secondly, timewasters or not I find it highly offensive for any girl to NOT answer her phone, or a text, immediately prior to an arranged meeting. I will allow for a situation where a girl did not believe I would show and took another punter in my place and now CANNOT answer her phone. But there is nothing more annoying than a girl that does not respond 10 minutes before as you are approaching the venue, again at the time you have arrived at the venue, and again some thirty minutes after you have waited at the venue, and again an hour and a half after you have left the venue. The point I am trying to make is the zero response, where there is no defence of double booking or whatever. This is sooo fucking annoying that I can feel for sharkskin in his anger.

    A text, be it to a TW or not is so fuckin simple. It takes one second. If a guy has made a booking and you feel he may not be kosher, please just before you take the double booking, send a little text… ‘Please,are you coming or not, I may have another booking, thank you. Kisses’.

    How fuckin hard is that….
    All good points James. I imagine that some escorts probably do this and others dont. This could be down to their own motivation, inclination, degree of organisation or command of the English language.

    The time wasting from the client's viewpoint is no doubt as annoying as the time wasting from the escort's viewpoint. The difference however lies in the frequency or amount of time being wasted. How often during a typical working day does an escort receive wind up calls/phoney bookings/guys trying to get free phone sex and how much time is wasted getting ready for guys who never show? Any escorts here prepared to try to put a daily average on this?

    On the other hand, what is the average number of punts per client per week or per month or whatever, and what proportion of those turn out to be wasted journeys because the escort does not answer her phone when you get there? Anybody prepared to try and put a figure on this?

    I think you'll find that with the escort, time wasting is probably an occupational hazzard, and the alternaive to an escort taking clients as they come is an escort losing business, maybe losing money and even deciding not to tour here in the future.

    While I wholeheartedly agree that escorts should make every effort to contact a client if they cannot keep an appointment, you yourself have suggested instances where this may not always be possible. I would just add the fact, that for various reasons, some clients do not welcome escorts ringing them or texting them out of the blue or when they are not expecting such contact, and we have had threads devoted to this in the past.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sharkskin View Post
    ... if every lady with whom I made a booking picked up her phone and said that she was ready when I turned up on time and called, my punting spend would be 30-40% higher than it is.
    To make this more directly personal, there were seven names on my list today. Number 4 answered the phone and accepted my booking. Ladies, how would you feel if you knew that you actually had been number 5 on the list and missed out on the chance of a couple of hundred Euros because number 4 accepted a booking but never went through with it?

    It is indeed very unprofessional for an escort to take a booking, let the person go to the landmark and then not to answer her phone. There is no doubt about it.
    It has already brilliantly been explained by Sensual Delight and Carlos reasons why some escorts can double book, the big number of time waster doesn’t excuse but explain.
    Unfortunately this is not a perfect world and for someone that visit escorts many times they take the rough with the smooth and so do we escorts.
    I remember telling you in another thread of yours this and it still amazes me your high rate of unsuccessful bookings, certainly something is happening .

    Probably your question is rethorical but if I started to think about clients that never saw me but could have but they firstly rang other 4 girls before finally ring me and because someone else took the booking I missed out a couple of hundreds Euros, I think I would spend too much energy over something I don’t have any control and would see other escorts as competitors (in a bad way).

    Quote Originally Posted by sharkskin View Post
    To any escorts reading this far, Carlos the man has just pissed away five hundred Euros a month of your business.
    It is understandable how upset you are about having had constantly you time wasted but again the use of persuasion here shouldnt make escorts bitter over business that they never had as certainly not all escorts reading this lost €500 as probably not all of them are on your list.

    I wish you the best of luck in 2011. Don't lose faith in escorts as we never do in clients.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sensual Delights View Post
    Are you really under the impression that Escort Ireland is a regulating body for the professional escorts?
    No. Not at all. But Carlos was posting from a moderator account with his moderator status at the top of his posting. That gives him both status and responsibility. If he makes statements in such a posting without sticking a disclaimer to the effect that it is a personal opinion only, then to me at least it looks like an official E-I policy that this behaviour is what E-I expects from its advertisers.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sensual Delights View Post
    I do sympathise with you in this regard. I don’t think any professional escort should ever do that.
    But the reality that I see as a client is that around one in three or one in four do exactly that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sensual Delights View Post
    - Your manner of making an appointment, are you really making all possible efforts to come across as friendly and genuine? Escorts may worry you are not turning up?
    Only one escort has ever actually discussed my telephone manner with me. That was not in Ireland. It was a Romanian escort who spoke no English. We were speaking in a third language. She explained that she was not sure about seeing a client when there was such a language barrier. Also, she told me that she normally only accepted bookings from clients who supplied photos in advance. But lucky old me, she then said "you really do sound so nice on the phone that I will come and see you." Lucky me - it was my finest punt ever. I do not think that my phone manner is the problem here.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sensual Delights View Post
    What Sasha is saying is true, there are so many time wasting people these days, that even the nicest girl would have her bitter doubts at one stage. This is not an excuse of double booking, but I beg you to understand the mentality.
    But even if you double book, you can still have the courtesy to send me a text. Let's see, in yesterday's case, I phoned just before two in the afternoon. I asked if I could come at half past two but she said that she had an appointment and said that I could come at three. OK, perhaps some other punter, perhaps a regular, turned up at ten to three and asked if he could see her. It is the lady's choice and she can tell him to come right away but if she does that then please tell me this, what is so hard about sending me an SMS to say that she cannot make it? Really, what is so hard about that?

    I'd also like to put in a note here. There seems to be an assumption by some folks that this was a case of an escort double booking. I do not know if that was the problem and I am not making any such claim.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sensual Delights View Post
    You have it once in a while. We have it every single day, sometimes as much as 5 – 7 times per day. It depresses us, makes us be not so nice on the phone, makes us worry about paying our bills etc.
    It is not once in a while, it is once in every three or four punts.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sensual Delights View Post
    I don't think at all it is right what has happened to you but I don't think it's a good idea to be vengefull either. Because this is what probably happen at the start ... . An upset client or an escort made upset another client or escort and so on.
    Who says I'm vengeful? I specifically noted in my first post that I did not attempt to see another escort because I knew that my mood had been trashed and that trying to see another escort would be a bad thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carlos marvado View Post
    I don't ponce about with my E-I status.
    If you post from an account labeled Moderator, without any disclaimer that it is a personal opinion, then it looks to me as if you are making the post in your moderator role.

    Quote Originally Posted by carlos marvado View Post
    If you, or anybody else, has any evidence that I have cost any escort here €500 in lost business, then kindly provide it.....otherwise stop throwing around rediculous accusations.
    I thought that I had made myself perfectly clear in my earlier post Carlos. Sorry if I had not. You, as an E-I Mod made a post from your E-I Mod account, with no statement that it was a personal opinion. You wrote that it would not make good financial sense for escorts to turn down clients who just turned up even if it would mean not being available for a booking that had been made earlier.

    That looks to me as if you are using your E-I awarded status to tell E-I advertisers that double booking is the way to go.

    E-I may be the largest site in these parts but it is not the only one. Indeed, one site recently started up and is offering big discounts on advertising rates. I note that some former E-I advertisers have moved their business over there.

    So, while E-I Mods continue to use their E-I Mod status to encourage E-I advertisers to make double bookings, I will take my business to advertisers on other sites.

    That really is a solid five hundred a month that is lost to escort advertisers here.

    I accept that I will have less choice and probably fewer punts and that some escorts on other sites will double book. At least I will not be attempting to visit escorts who are advertising on a service that encourages them to double book.

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