Capitalism is the Enemy of Individual Effort

[Lucy Chambers]

But they always leave me feeling gassy and bloated !

Ah, you arent missing much. They are always maudlin and pasty anyway.

[carlos marvado]

If you exclude the capitalist and his/her capital as a factor of production you are left with the state sector funded via the tax payers. Assuming that the system is not a bolshevic style one, you get control via public sector trade unions which leads to organisations which are over-staffed, over-payed, ineffecient, ineffective, incapable of innovation and more than likely operating as a monopoly. The result is higher prices of services and goods for the end-user (example the ESB) who has already probably contributed in his/her taxes to this organisation. Such organisations can only exist in a protected environment as they are incapable of competing in international export markets and would not be able to survive foreign companies competing against them in their home markets. Therefore you require high taffif barriers or other regulations to creat barriers to market entry for rivals. Basically, we are talking Ireland during the 30s, 40s and 50s........De Valera's dream of self-sufficiency.......no foreign investment and damn all foreign trade.

The alternative bolshevic version is one of tightly controlled centrally planned economic activity presided over by a nomenclature elite. Given that the workers have no control, no dignity, no incentivisation and their unions are centrally controlled puppet fronts, they are purely wage slaves who's purpose in life is to reach production targets. The same inefficiencies etc. would also apply to such organisations and they could not survive without protective barriers.

Capitalism is not about exploitation or about reducing people to the status of wage slaves......it is about returning profits and a good living for the entrepreneurs/investors/capitalists who supply capital and or entrepreneurship to an organisation. Part and parcel of the capitalist system are constant innovation, both product, service and process, and market competition. The benefits for the consumer are products and services of a high quality and/or at a lower cost.

There are plenty of Eastern Europeans amongst us now. Why not ask them whether they would rather work in a capitalist system or go back to the type of life they would have led if they were still forced to live under communist regimes.

[dublin laddie]

If you exclude the capitalist and his/her capital as a factor of production you are left with the state sector funded via the tax payers. Assuming that the system is not a bolshevic style one, you get control via public sector trade unions which leads to organisations which are over-staffed, over-payed, ineffecient, ineffective, incapable of innovation and more than likely operating as a monopoly. The result is higher prices of services and goods for the end-user (example the ESB) who has already probably contributed in his/her taxes to this organisation. Such organisations can only exist in a protected environment as they are incapable of competing in international export markets and would not be able to survive foreign companies competing against them in their home markets. Therefore you require high taffif barriers or other regulations to creat barriers to market entry for rivals. Basically, we are talking Ireland during the 30s, 40s and 50s........De Valera's dream of self-sufficiency.......no foreign investment and damn all foreign trade.

The alternative bolshevic version is one of tightly controlled centrally planned economic activity presided over by a nomenclature elite. Given that the workers have no control, no dignity, no incentivisation and their unions are centrally controlled puppet fronts, they are purely wage slaves who's purpose in life is to reach production targets. The same inefficiencies etc. would also apply to such organisations and they could not survive without protective barriers.

Capitalism is not about exploitation or about reducing people to the status of wage slaves......it is about returning profits and a good living for the entrepreneurs/investors/capitalists who supply capital and or entrepreneurship to an organisation. Part and parcel of the capitalist system are constant innovation, both product, service and process, and market competition. The benefits for the consumer are products and services of a high quality and/or at a lower cost.

There are plenty of Eastern Europeans amongst us now. Why not ask them whether they would rather work in a capitalist system or go back to the type of life they would have led if they were still forced to live under communist regimes.

lets aks them

east germans
Homesick for a Dictatorship: Majority of Eastern Germans Feel Life Better under Communism - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News - International

romanians
Opinion poll: 61% of romanians consider communism a good idea

[El Gordo]

Dublin laddie,

you completely misunderstand capitalism.

The capitalist is the supplier of one of the means of production, i.e. capital.
They may also supply one of the others i.e. labour, land or enterprise.
The whole system thrives because someone is supplying all the means of production.
The system emphasis the contribution of each to the cause, and believes that the collective is better by each individual contributor of a means of production being better.
Thats where the thoery of specialisation comes from.
Until you understand the rudiments of capitalist theory you should not comment on it.

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[Monkeynut]

What an intelligent response...

Did your Mum tell you to say that .... how else would you know

[carlos marvado]

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Shit!!!!!....dublin laddie or Brother Cael as he is known on politics.ie has 22,995 posts to his credit there.........and I thought Westie had it bad.

Do yourself a big favour Brother Cael (dublin laddie). Look at all the nice pictures of the ladies in Dublin (300+). Then ring one of them to make an appointment and go and get yourself laid good and proper. I would suggest Sister Anitasizzle as a committed socialist, but unfortunately, she's the other side of the Atlantic.

[Mousey]

So we're all to start calling DL Cael now!?

[Lucy Chambers]

So we're all to start calling DL Cael now!?

No, still Texas.

[carlos marvado]

So we're all to start calling DL Cael now!?

Comrade Cael to you Mousey..........and I'm still keeping you under close observation. In fact Cael should feel right at home in here.......us mods operate pretty much like a cross between the Stasi and the Securitate.

Now I've got to descend deep into the Pat Bunker......Nicole has promised to lick my black boots while I whip her arse.

[Mousey]

No, still Texas.

Roger...