Why don't we just shoot the Dealers, Why not???Originally Posted by warmcome
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The masked men were probably low rent drug dealers concerned that their profits had been eaten away by the head shops.
I have lived a life of regrets.
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I thought the govenments thinking on head shops was all wrong.
Friends of mine hadn't bought drugs off they're dealer in over a year as they were getting it through the head shops.
What they should have done was regulate the head shops better and control what does and doesn't get allowed out.
They also could have raised some much needed money by putting a tax on the products.
Now what's going to happen is people are going to go back to the dealers and the illegal market, and the ones that didn't use dealers before as they were visiting head shops will start to miss that high and look for it elsewhere.
Who wins then except the criminal gangs.
Typical government short-sightedness
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What we have here is the same problem.
Drug dealers like selling drugs and drug users like buying them. Prostitutes like selling their bodies and punters enjoy paying to fuck them. The only people who have a problem with it are assholes who enjoy running other people's lives. They feel they have to "punish sin" and push their morality on to others.
"human trafficking" is the latest tool at their disposal for invoking moral outrage at prostitution. In my many, many years of punting I've yet to encounter a prostitute that has been trafficked. I never seen them chained to beds or even met (or seen) an intimidating pimp. However, lets say human trafficking does exist... then making prostitution illegal is somehow supposed to make it stop? Human trafficking and prostitution are mutually exclusive... people can be trafficked for all sorts of reasons.
Anyway, back to drugs I say make them legal and tax them. They should be regulated in the same way we currently regulate medication. If the U.S. has shown us anything it's that the drug war is a massive failure.
People fucking die, death is the inevitable outcome of life. At least with regulation we can be sure that the drugs out there are of the best purity.
Not to mention out and out legalization of prostitution and more so drugs would mean the end of much criminality.
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No, no, no, no, NO. As I have pointed out again and again on these boards before, they are inherently and fundamentally different because:
1) Sex won't ruin your health if you take the right precautions, at least not with anymore of a risk than driving for example will.
2) Sex is a completely natural thing that we are evolved for and so CANNOT harm you psychologically if done in the right way. Drugs are the complete opposite of that altogether.... ANYTHING can happen with them but as a rule of thumb the more artificial the drug, the worse it is for you.
I'm sick to my teeth of people trying to lump escorting and drugs in together, it's all lies. Drugs have nothing to do with escorting. Let's all lump them and smoking and drinking and criminality into the same thing is a total nonsense.
It's not about "pushing morality" on anyone, there's nothing "moral" about taking drugs. It's about the consequences for uninformed or weak-willed people (we all only have a certain strength of saying 'no' to something) who get manipulated one day and other people who have never taken drugs because of these bastards that destroy their own lives and then decide to destroy others.
I agree with you, talk about throwing the baby out with the bathwater. But keep in mind that a lot of these people writing don't wish to outlaw prostitution, just trafficking. In other, especially poor countries I'm pretty sure girls are trafficked and face a lot of abuse, but in Ireland it's a total fairytale nonsense. It's not as if we didn't have real issues to face instead of fictional ones.
No, this is totally wrong. You can effectively outlaw things, you can outlaw nuclear weapons can't you? That's reasonably well done. I mean, it's not perfect but at least not even John Joe Muhammud out there can't get his hands on them. You don't say "hurrr.. the terrorists will always get their nuclear arms, there's no point in even trying to stop them", we better try and we better fucking succeed.
That's what they need to treat these new drugs like, atomic bombs. Because they kill people, they make people kill others and they ruin people's lives. I believe anyone that supports these things has blood on their hands. They can't just say "but we didn't kill him", that's a fucking stupidly simplistic way of viewing it. They DID kill someone if they gave someone else the drugs....
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Some high ranking police officials, in the US and also here have also suggested this. While I am personally totally against drugs, I think it probably would be better for society if the availability of drugs was regulated and controlled and taken out of the hands of criminal gangs. Apart from the actual damage that drugs do to peoples' lives (the same also applies to alcohol and tobacco), the criminal control of the supply side also leads to other forms of serious crime. The prohibition era in the US is a good example regarding alcohol. Plenty of drug enforcement professionals and a few politicians are honest enough to admit, that the war on drugs has probably been lost. The real issue at this stage is, do governments continue with the current policies of trying to stop illegal drug shipments and their distribution and sale in an attempt to contain the problem or do they adopt a policy such as the cafe system in the Netherlands or supply substances through HSE health centers along the lines of the methadone substitute program to registered users. A related issue would be the age that people would have to be to purchase these substances if they were legalised.
On the other hand, even if certain drugs were to be legalised and distribution channels opened by the state for adult users to purchase them, this alone would not make the criminal element redundant. The people who targeted those headshops could well have been drug gangs rather than "concerned parents". So what would be to stop them targeting the HSE or whoever was charged with legally supplying drugs in the future?
Some of the Muslim states do have some pretty effective measures in dealing with drug criminals and disincentivising the trade..........but I doubt that such measures would be acceptable here.
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Really? Prove it. Lets see some links. Source or GTFO.
making drugs legal wont really make much diffrence to the crimnal gangs, after all just look at alcohol and tobaco both of wich are legal and yet there is still a massive black market trade in them. dont ask me what the answer is but i think it shows that making drugs legal is not it.
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Here the answer
Singapore's policy keeps drugs at bay | Michael Teo | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk
Drug abuse blights modern societies. That is why many governments are focused on tackling addiction, preventing drug-related crimes and ultimately protecting their populations. Singapore's tough stand and use of strict laws and stiff penalties against those involved in the drug trade, including capital punishment, have sometimes come under criticism. The comment by Patrick Gallahue and Rick Lines of the International Harm Reduction Association prompted by the trial of a drug trafficker, Yong Vui Kong, and the imposition of the death penalty on him, is a recent instance.
Singapore pursues a comprehensive national strategy to combat the scourge of drugs, comprising a high-profile public education campaign, treatment and rehabilitation of drug offenders, as well as strict laws and stiff penalties against those involved in the drug trade.
Public education against drug abuse starts in schools. For abusers, our approach is to try hard to wean them off drugs and deter them from relapsing. They are given two chances in a drug rehabilitation centre. If they go through counselling, kick their drug habit and return to society with useful skills, they will not have any criminal record. Those who are still addicted go to prison, where they are put on general rehabilitation programmes to help them reintegrate into the community.
Strong community support against drug abuse has been critical to our fight against drugs. Singapore society resolutely rejects drug abuse. Several voluntary welfare organisations run halfway houses to help recovering addicts adjust back into society. Many employers also come forward to offer reformed drug addicts employment opportunities.
Drug traffickers are a major part of the problem on the supply side. They make drugs available in our communities and profit from the human misery they help create. This is why tough laws and penalties are needed, including capital punishment for trafficking in significant amounts of the most harmful drugs. This sends a strong deterrent signal to would-be traffickers. But unfortunately, attracted by the lucrative payoffs, some still traffic in drugs knowing full well the penalty if they get caught.
With all these efforts, Singapore has one of the lowest prevalence of drug abuse worldwide, even though it has not been entirely eliminated. Over two decades, the number of drug abusers arrested each year has declined by two-thirds, from over 6,000 in the early 1990s to about 2,000 last year. Fewer than two in 10 abusers released from prison or drug rehabilitation centres relapse within two years. We do not have traffickers pushing drugs openly in the streets, nor do we need to run needle exchange centres. Because of our strict laws, Singapore does not have to contend with major drug syndicates linked to organised crime, unlike some other countries.
According to the 2008 World Drug Report by the United Nations office on drugs and crime 8.2% of the UK population are cannabis abusers; in Singapore it is 0.005%. For ecstasy, the figures are 1.8% for the UK and 0.003% for Singapore; and for opiates – such as heroin, opium and morphine – 0.9% for the UK and 0.005% for Singapore.
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America has sprayed crops abroad, infiltrated foreign societies with agents and spent
billions on trying to stop them, but I have not been without drugs a day in 20 years.
Paul Williams- a man with understanding of organised crime, agrees the 'war' is lost!
Drugs are just beginning-deal with this!
Seriously, some of you are the Ruhama of narcotics! ))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
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