Focus on Ruhama

[warmcome]

The subject matter and scenery of our capital may well constitute the material for an interesting film,
but fiction it is and it is gladly not a reality to any great extent. I know this through my research with many
businesswomen visiting Ireland to trade. Also, independent of my research is a report published by the garda for 2008-
They claim they discovered 4 women that were trafficked into Ireland by criminal gangs. In the same year several thousand
girls visited Ireland to do business.

[nicegirlsarenice]

The subject matter and scenery of our capital may well constitute the material for an interesting film,
but fiction it is and it is gladly not a reality to any great extent. I know this through my research with many
businesswomen visiting Ireland to trade. Also, independent of my research is a report published by the garda for 2008-
They claim they discovered 4 women that were trafficked into Ireland by criminal gangs. In the same year several thousand
girls visited Ireland to do business.

And all of them were probably just saying they were trafficked in order to get out of criminal offences, being deported, in order to get aid (money) etc. What a scam.

And it pisses me off to see someone like Mr. Fussy trying to be apologetic to Ruhama, they have no "points" or "side of the argument". There are just people who KNOW and people who DON'T KNOW, Ruhama picks on the latter and fills them with complete lies.

[MrFussy]

And all of them were probably just saying they were trafficked in order to get out of criminal offences, being deported, in order to get aid (money) etc. What a scam.

And it pisses me off to see someone like Mr. Fussy trying to be apologetic to Ruhama, they have no "points" or "side of the argument". There are just people who KNOW and people who DON'T KNOW, Ruhama picks on the latter and fills them with complete lies.

Did you actually read my posts? I maintain that EI and Ruhama have some common goals, my post was in relation to the post questioning their values etc. My point was that I do not know what their value system is, but that as a regular punter on here and with the subject matter that EI advertises, we are not in any position to become judge and jury....as I said...my opinion.

[carlos marvado]

Did you actually read my posts? I maintain that EI and Ruhama have some common goals, my post was in relation to the post questioning their values etc. My point was that I do not know what their value system is, but that as a regular punter on here and with the subject matter that EI advertises, we are not in any position to become judge and jury....as I said...my opinion.

E-I is radically different to Ruhama in one key respect.........E-I does not seek to inhibit or limit freedom of choices in respect to sexual activity or how people make their living (with a few notable exceptions of services which may not be advertised here).

[MrFussy]

EI makes a vast sum of money from its site, and isdeliberately located outside Irish jurisdiction etc. It is not a free advertising forum so I dare say it's goal is not to ' inhibit or limit freedom of choices in respect to sexual activity or how people make their living'...its a profit making enterprise, that's the goal. We are not all on here to advocate freedom of choice, punters view adverts and escorts advertise. I accept that and am happy with that, but as far as I am concerned that structure limits its ability to attack other organisations, hence my disappointment with the post. Recognise why we are here.

[Patricia]

EI makes a vast sum of money from its site, and isdeliberately located outside Irish jurisdiction etc. It is not a free advertising forum so I dare say it's goal is not to ' inhibit or limit freedom of choices in respect to sexual activity or how people make their living'...its a profit making enterprise, that's the goal. We are not all on here to advocate freedom of choice, punters view adverts and escorts advertise. I accept that and am happy with that, but as far as I am concerned that structure limits its ability to attack other organisations, hence my disappointment with the post. Recognise why we are here.

Mr Fussy, I accept your view, but I don't personally feel that - because E-I is a commercial business - I shouldn't comment on organisations like Ruhama. Also, just because E-I is a business, doesn't mean the only goal is to make money. I'd also like to see E-I behaving responsibly and contributing to the escort industry in a positive way.

[MrFussy]

Nobody minds comment, I don't think the attitude of the comments and pictures posted on this thread are a reasonable critique. I never said EI, as a commercial organisation, paying tax in whatever country, your goal was solely to make money. I said that you make money from this site and the associated activities, no problem with me on that one, again as I said in my post. I believe you do contribute in a positive way to the escort industry, hence I see no need for such a disappointing post in the first place.

[nicegirlsarenice]

EI makes a vast sum of money from its site, and isdeliberately located outside Irish jurisdiction etc. It is not a free advertising forum so I dare say it's goal is not to ' inhibit or limit freedom of choices in respect to sexual activity or how people make their living'...its a profit making enterprise, that's the goal. We are not all on here to advocate freedom of choice, punters view adverts and escorts advertise. I accept that and am happy with that, but as far as I am concerned that structure limits its ability to attack other organisations, hence my disappointment with the post. Recognise why we are here.

See this is the thing I don't understand MrFussy, your idea that an organization should somehow have a "neutral" opinion of everything to do with it just because it makes money from it is a total nonsense. All organizations want to put forward their point of view, it doesn't matter how much money they make. You can't censor up everything one organizations says and only listen to the other side because they make money out of it, Ruhama have been saying the most outrageous, despicable lies about sites like E-I which they know themselves are false. All you're doing if you're doing that is giving a total bias to the side that is allegedly voluntary. Money should not matter at all in whether or not someone can give an opinion on it.

You're apparently saying that E-I has a conflict of interest here and so isn't allowed to comment at all?! E-I isn't the judge and jury in this thing, E-I is just giving its opinions. Ruhama's opinions are that E-I should be shut down and E-I's not allowed to have the same opinions of them because E-I makes "vast amounts of money"? The escorts like E-I as well Mr. Fussy, the escorts do well, E-I do well, the punters do well, EVERYONE does well, EXCEPT Ruhama.

You're saying that E-I isn't allowed to argue its case and I find that wrong MrFussy. E-I cannot condone the opinions of Ruhama in any way because Ruhama is stating that E-I should not be allowed to exist.

And besides, E-I can't be responsible for every comment made on the forums. They don't necessarily reflect the official views of E-I.

[MrFussy]

I said I was disappointed in the posts and the derogatory comments / images contained in some. I said that both Ruhama and EI have some common and worthwhile goals. I said I did not think it was a good idea to voice such opinions against Ruhama bearing in mind that punters and EI are not whiter than white. I said nothing about any conflict of interest, my point is that a commercial entity such as EI commenting on such an organisation, is disappointing. Again, for the last time, I'm saying I'm disappointed for the reasons I've pointed out.

[luther]

Again, for the last time, I'm saying I'm disappointed for the reasons I've pointed out.

Why don't you nip on over here and tell them about your disappointment with some of the things they say........

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