Anti-social incidents on the rise? Yes or no?

[Reggie]

Is there no Sunshine yourway today Babes ? --- stick yer head out, the birds are singing, its lovely , -- a time for nice thoughts, think "happy".

[anon361]

there is sunshine hun
i am happy as im in kerry seeing all my lovely horney kerry men

im just pointing out the rise in teenagers out there causing anti-soicialness (wot ever you want to call it)
im just comenting on my experiances with it just by doing my past job of working in a shop and how i saw some of the reasons to the problems when i was doing my job

for an other example in derry after 3am you are garenteeted to see the side streets lined with vomiting drunk teenagers trying to act the hard lad by beating up young girls, fighting amounst them selves, smashing shop windows and wreacking phone boxes.

of course you have assholes of audults doing antisocial ness but dont get me started on them as id be hear all day

It's not the teenagers, it's our generation breeding it, I was having a conversation with someone the other day and they were telling me how they were out with 2 other couples and one of them was laughing at how there 7 year old was telling the teacher to Fuck off, they thaught it hillarious, now what sort of message is that sending the kid and that kind of thing has been happening for years. I can see how people have lost respect for people in authority but it's teaching respect towards a teacher and others that shows kids the fundamentals in right and wrong and if you feck that up the kid has no hope!!

[Mousey]

i do think you should have to apply fo a licience to have children

I absolutely agree. The vote too - people should not be allowed to vote unless they pass a test.

[Cable87]

No They are not and its only poorly educated reactionary morons that think otherwise

That's a bit harsh, Alec. Do you have any statistics, anecdotes, reasoning or logic to back-up your beliefs/conclusions, or have you chosen the "intelligent" option, which is to simply label and insult anyone that has an opinion or perspective that's different than yours?

[Alec Horan]

That's a bit harsh, Alec. Do you have any statistics, anecdotes, reasoning or logic to back-up your beliefs/conclusions, or have you chosen the "intelligent" option, which is to simply label and insult anyone that has an opinion or perspective that's different than yours?

See Below............


Steven Pinker on the myth of violence | Video on TED.com

[Cable87]

See Below............


Steven Pinker on the myth of violence | Video on TED.com

Fair enough Alec, I watched the video you posted. I am familiar with Pinker's work and I've read my Hobbes as well, and I can say that I do generally agree with Pinker's presentation and overall conclusion, that violence as a general aspect of human existence has been on a long and steeply decining slope since the earliest days of human history.

But I think that while this is all true and backed with good statistics, good information and sound reasoning, the analysis by Pinker is a bit too broad when it comes to addressing the original topic of this thread. It was, at the very least, implicitly understood (if not explicitly stated) that the topic of the thread and the ensuing discussion was on the increase of anti-social behaviour in the modern Irish context. An increase is violent acts in Ireland for a comparatively short time and in such a small country would hardly even come up as a 'blip' on the radar when held up to the backdrop of all of human history.

But that does not mean that there hasn't been some kind of increase in anti-social behaviour in Ireland since, shall we say, 5 years ago. And perhaps it wouldn't even necessarily be correct to say that there has been any kind of real increase in the frequency of such incidences, but perhaps the best way to describe the changes that people see is in the nature and the level of hostility being displayed within those acts has seemed to increase in recent times. I am of this opinion, as I've witnessed changes in peoples attitudes and behaviours within this time frame. Perhaps your own personal experience has been different, and fair enough if that is the case.

[luther]

The problem as I've said before..............


No social morality because there is little or no accountability or punishment...............

People are more willing now to take a chance on stealing etc. because even if they are caught, the accountability and punishment is worth the risk.......

And yes, petty crime, stealing, passing dodgey cheques or forged notes etc. is on the rise...............

[nicegirlsarenice]

Anti-social incidents are necessary to keep the people in authority in line.

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom-fighter. One man's petty thief is another man's minister for justice.

I'm not saying anti-social behaviour is good, just that there's another side to it.

[luther]

So effectively what you're saying is we need prople to break the law to keep the law enforcers in a job..................

[nicegirlsarenice]

In a way, yes. I'm not saying that all the policemen in bad areas and the judges etc. out there love to have criminals about to keep them in business, but some policeman no doubt are really trying to "nab" people and make out as if they were involved in criminal behaviour.

Look at the state of the medical industry. It comes about because they get paid every time a person feels unwell and comes to them. They don't get paid at all if their patients are well. It's good for them to see people coming back to them, if you think a doctor doesn't open their eyes in delight at the sight of 50s just as much as a street prostitute then you're really naive.

It's not natural to be paid to help people. It creates an extreme desire for there to be people that need to be helped! Most of the time they don't need it at all, it's all made up. Just like the farmers were supposedly not needed anymore because of the big machinery, pesticides, etc. the doctors and to a lesser extent professors etc. aren't needed either. We don't need a doctor. We can find what we want on the computer or in books.

That's why the most legitimate jobs are to do with swopping or giving services, such as escorting. Farming is another great way to earn a living, and look at what they've done to the poor farmers of this country. Do you find it interesting that the organic, natural farmer's grown food is the best, not the GM modified and pesticides-laden ones are horrible and cause cancer and a shorter life? It's because they're closest to nature, that's why. All these other jobs are made-up.

These trades work the best because they're closest to our natural, prehistoric life in the wild, how we're evolved to live. Everything else, such as the banking system and stocks, all tend to go haywire sooner or later because they're more a pyramid scheme and a social circle than natural trading. I would include certain types of education in social circles, I would include a LOT of jobs in pyramid schemes for reasons I could go into if you want.